2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[traptor]

If huberdeau can be in the top 20 point leaders next season without playing complete river hockey, that would alleviate alot of the concerns many fans have.

That would personally change my whole perception of the flames capabilities over the next few seasons.

If he's anywhere near where he was at last season we're ####ed for awhile.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Every single dollar and year of term in the entire NHL, on every team, is tied up in aging players.

Players close to or past 30 who have likely peaked in their careers already and will begin to regress. Is that easier for you to understand?

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Only 19 players in the entire league had 90+ points last year…
Tell me that your expectations aren’t out of whack.

Nugent Hopkins had over 100 pts. Do you think a team lead by Ryan Nugent Hopkins and Elias Lindholm is winning the Cup?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Players close to or past 30 who have likely peaked in their careers already and will begin to regress. Is that easier for you to understand?

Are the ones that don’t fit this description not aging in your mind, or…

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Nugent Hopkins had over 100 pts. Do you think a team lead by Ryan Nugent Hopkins and Elias Lindholm is winning the Cup?

The goalposts.. they are a move’n…

Good think we have Kadri to take care of that whole style of play thing

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Nugent Hopkins had over 100 pts. Do you think a team lead by Ryan Nugent Hopkins and Elias Lindholm is winning the Cup?

Maybe Elias can sign the Nugent Hopkins contract. A lot of folks throw out the Horvat comparable but Nugent Hopkins is more of an Alberta comparable.

Over the four years before Nugent Hopkins signed his contract he had averaged 70 points per 82 games.

For Elias he averaged 70 points every 82 games for the four seasons before he signed his contract.

Elias will be a year older when the contract kicks in so there is that difference.

Flames should shoot for that, 8 years 5.125 million a year. Maybe round up and adjust for inflation and say 8 years 48 million.

[ForeverFlameFan]

RNH has McDavid and Draisaitl on PP1 to pad his stats.

Laughable that Lindholm is being compared to that player. Both are passengers, but one is riding the back seat to the two players that score half of their points on the Pp.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Maybe Elias can sign the Nugent Hopkins contract. A lot of folks throw out the Horvat comparable but Nugent Hopkins is more of an Alberta comparable.

Over the four years before Nugent Hopkins signed his contract he had averaged 70 points per 82 games.

For Elias he averaged 70 points every 82 games for the four seasons before he signed his contract.

Elias will be a year older when the contract kicks in so there is that difference.

Flames should shoot for that, 8 years 5.125 million a year. Maybe round up and adjust for inflation and say 8 years 48 million.

I can’t see that happening. If he’s resigning it’s for more than Kadri.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Maybe Elias can sign the Nugent Hopkins contract. A lot of folks throw out the Horvat comparable but Nugent Hopkins is more of an Alberta comparable.

Over the four years before Nugent Hopkins signed his contract he had averaged 70 points per 82 games.

For Elias he averaged 70 points every 82 games for the four seasons before he signed his contract.

Elias will be a year older when the contract kicks in so there is that difference.

Flames should shoot for that, 8 years 5.125 million a year. Maybe round up and adjust for inflation and say 8 years 48 million.

If you think the closest comparable to Lindholm is Nugent-Hopkins, I'm not sure you've ever watched a hockey game before.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Maybe Elias can sign the Nugent Hopkins contract. A lot of folks throw out the Horvat comparable but Nugent Hopkins is more of an Alberta comparable.

Over the four years before Nugent Hopkins signed his contract he had averaged 70 points per 82 games.

For Elias he averaged 70 points every 82 games for the four seasons before he signed his contract.

Elias will be a year older when the contract kicks in so there is that difference.

Flames should shoot for that, 8 years 5.125 million a year. Maybe round up and adjust for inflation and say 8 years 48 million.

This is an embarrassing take that only an Oilers fan would try and make and not someone who watches and follows hockey

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Maybe Elias can sign the Nugent Hopkins contract. A lot of folks throw out the Horvat comparable but Nugent Hopkins is more of an Alberta comparable.

Over the four years before Nugent Hopkins signed his contract he had averaged 70 points per 82 games.

For Elias he averaged 70 points every 82 games for the four seasons before he signed his contract.

Elias will be a year older when the contract kicks in so there is that difference.

Flames should shoot for that, 8 years 5.125 million a year. Maybe round up and adjust for inflation and say 8 years 48 million.

RNH took a discount to stay in Edmonton. If didn't want to stay he likely would have gotten more elsewhere.

The E=NG spin would be he took less so he can stay behind the two elite players and have less pressure. Or he's a team guy. Whose to say. The only thing I know for certain is he can't grow a beard to save his life.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This is an embarrassing take that only an Oilers fan would try and make and not someone who watches and follows hockey

Just trying to find comparables. Elias got all his points riding shotgun to Johnny and Tkachuk. He has never been the highest scorer on his line in Calgary.

In 18/19 he was third on his line in scoring
In 19/20 he was second on his line in scoring
In 20/21 he was second on his line
21/22 he was third on his line
22/23 he was second on his line.

So like RNH he is not a line driver. Maybe he has so many intangibles that he is worth 75% more. But their offensive numbers are similar.

[Strange Brew]

RNH just isn't a good comparable. He signed his contract before his career season.

[Tkachukwagon]

RNH is the softest player in the league. He is the Tenderness.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Just trying to find comparables. Elias got all his points riding shotgun to Johnny and Tkachuk. He has never been the highest scorer on his line in Calgary.

In 18/19 he was third on his line in scoring
In 19/20 he was second on his line in scoring
In 20/21 he was second on his line
21/22 he was third on his line
22/23 he was second on his line.

So like RNH he is not a line driver. Maybe he has so many intangibles that he is worth 75% more. But their offensive numbers are similar.

Over half his points are on the powerplay. He's a product of getting to touch the puck on the best power play the NHL has ever seen. I feel Lindholm is ideally a 2nd line center but he can and has produced as a first line center. RNH is a level below as he tops out as a 2nd line center/powerplay specialist.

[Redlan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Just trying to find comparables. Elias got all his points riding shotgun to Johnny and Tkachuk. He has never been the highest scorer on his line in Calgary.

In 18/19 he was third on his line in scoring
In 19/20 he was second on his line in scoring
In 20/21 he was second on his line
21/22 he was third on his line
22/23 he was second on his line.

So like RNH he is not a line driver. Maybe he has so many intangibles that he is worth 75% more. But their offensive numbers are similar.

Lindholm for RNH straight up. Has to happen now to make sense!

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Just trying to find comparables. Elias got all his points riding shotgun to Johnny and Tkachuk. He has never been the highest scorer on his line in Calgary.

In 18/19 he was third on his line in scoring
In 19/20 he was second on his line in scoring
In 20/21 he was second on his line
21/22 he was third on his line
22/23 he was second on his line.

So like RNH he is not a line driver. Maybe he has so many intangibles that he is worth 75% more. But their offensive numbers are similar.

I'm sorry, how many times was RNH a Selke finalist again?

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

RNH has McDavid and Draisaitl on PP1 to pad his stats.

Laughable that Lindholm is being compared to that player. Both are passengers, but one is riding the back seat to the two players that score half of their points on the Pp.

The term "passenger" is such a grossly overused term in the hockey community. Elias Lindholm is a phenomenal 200 foot hockey player that tilts the ice heavily in a positive direction. When did committing to the little details of the game at the expense of some offensive production become so overlooked? Was Patrice Bergeron a passenger throughout his career because he got thoroughly outscored by his linemates? Players like Lindholm make their teammates better in all facets, and we have seen that since his arrival in Calgary with Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Dube, and Toffoli all experiencing career years playing next to him.

In saying that all - RNH - is in fact, the very definition of a passenger. He struggles to break even at five on five, can't be relied upon to take faceoffs or line match with any efficiency, is softer than a bag of milk, and the vast majority of his points are of secondary nature on the PP. I don't think you can win meaningful games with any regularity with that type of player eating up important minutes. He is in a perfect spot to sit back and rack up point and he knows it. That's why he signed the deal he did.

[Jiggy]

I laugh when people say Lindholm only produces with top players. Well, it takes a skilled high hockey IQ player to mesh with top players. Not everyone can do it. If anything it shows how important Lindholm is as he has many facests to his game.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I laugh when people say Lindholm Nugent-Hopkins only produces with top players. Well, it takes a skilled high hockey IQ player to mesh with top players. Not everyone can do it. If anything it shows how important Lindholm Nugent-Hopkins is as he has many facests to his game.

One change can display how this is not the strong point for that you think it may be.