Hockey Canada, CHL settle lawsuit over alleged sexual assault involving WJ players

[Fuzzy14]

Except there may not be many teams who want to sign a rapist.

I think we can agree that NHL teams have a track record of overlooking pretty much anything for a good asset at a good price.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy14

I think we can agree that NHL teams have a track record of overlooking pretty much anything for a good asset at a good price.

This is what I mean. Mitch Miller is closest I can think. TWO tone deaf teams tried for his rights despite obvious issues.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

How can you have a morality clause before being signed to an NHL contract? Sure, if the player had already signed an NHL contract that would be applicable but i think these players would have a strong argument that because they didn't have a contract they should not be suspended. I mean I hope they are suspended for life and it sticks because what they did is terrible, I just think the NHL will have a hard time making the suspensions stick.

There does not have to be a morality clause in an employment contract in order for an employer to terminate for cause (at least in Canada). Its a high bar to meet, but if an employer can prove that there is a justifiable connection between off-duty conduct and the employer or the nature of the employment, there may be cause for dismissal.

The employer must show that:

the conduct of the employee harms the employer’s reputation or product;
the employee’s behaviour renders the employee unable to perform his duties satisfactory;
the employee’s behaviour leads to refusal, reluctance or inability of the other employees to work with him;
the employee has been guilty of a serious breach of the Criminal Code, which renders his conduct injurious to the general reputation of the employer and its employees; and
continuing to employ the employee will cause difficulty in the way the employer properly carries out the function of efficiently managing its work and efficiently directing its work force.

I didn't do any research on whether the same applies to off-duty conduct committed prior to being hired (but discovered subsequent to being hired). However, looking at the factors (and their purpose), I don't see why it wouldn't.

[Moneyhands23]

God I wish this would just get released so we can all move on.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

God I wish this would just get released so we can all move on.

I don't think that moving on will be an event. There is a lot of gray area here that needs to be discussed.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

God I wish this would just get released so we can all move on.

Its been close to being released for like 2 months now. Media have known the names and other info for a bit now. They must be making sure they do everything right have legal backing so they avoid any risk of defamation or other litigation.

edit: probably also deciding whether charges will be laid and to what extent.

[FlamesAddiction]

A 2023 WJC coach and WHL coach is under investigation by SafeSport in the U.S. for complaints made against him. It doesn't sound as serious as some of the other things that have gone on in the past, but still pretty inappropriate behaviour if the complaints are true.

https://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/for...port-1.1992423

TSN has obtained a copy of a complaint made May 10. In that document, a complainant alleged that several players had shared concerns about Williams using player showers and coming out wearing only a towel while they were in the adjoining team dressing room.

The complaint also alleged that during the team’s training camp in 2021, Williams “walked into the bathroom while [a] player was losing consciousness following VO2 max testing. Dennis took a photo of the player on his phone while the player was on the bathroom floor and walked out, leaving the player unconscious on the bathroom floor. The player was 17 at the time.”

In VO2 max testing, participants exercise on a treadmill or bike to the point of exhaustion while wearing a mask that can measure air input and output from the participant’s lungs.

The complaint also alleged that a “fighting ring” took place involving players during training camp in 2021.

In addition to the complaint with the U.S. Center for SafeSport, former Silvertips equipment manager Damon Pugerude told TSN he made a complaint on Jan. 23 to the WHL’s Player Advisory Council, a committee formed by the league last year to independently investigate allegations of bullying, harassment, and other forms of misconduct.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

A 2023 WJC coach and WHL coach is under investigation by SafeSport in the U.S. for complaints made against him. It doesn't sound as serious as some of the other things that have gone on in the past, but still pretty inappropriate behaviour if the complaints are true.

https://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/for...port-1.1992423

That link now includes this...

Editor’s note: Western Hockey League commissioner Ron Robison told TSN on Aug. 5 that his league has been advised by USA Hockey that the U.S. Center for SafeSport has closed its investigation.

Just going by the allegations in the TSN article....there should be more here before dragging this guy's name through the mud publicly. I like what Westhead has done, and he needs to keep reporting this stuff. But I wonder if he is being used here or more reporting should be done?

The trainer complained and was fired. Axe to grind?

Not defending this guy, but the story seems incomplete and not exactly abusive or harassment level based on the allegations.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Its been close to being released for like 2 months now. Media have known the names and other info for a bit now. They must be making sure they do everything right have legal backing so they avoid any risk of defamation or other litigation.

edit: probably also deciding whether charges will be laid and to what extent.

I guess that makes sense. I just hate how the insiders all know, and it's been months. I like Dube and just want to know what's up

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

This is what I mean. Mitch Miller is closest I can think. TWO tone deaf teams tried for his rights despite obvious issues.

Mitch Miller, after a year away from the ice, has signed with a Slovak team...

[activeStick]

Yeah, I think Bill Peters sets a precedent where things you do before being part of an organization can lead to your termination. I'm guessing the accused players will get paid out though, similar to how people suspect the Flames gave Peters something to stay quiet and not come back at them for wrongful dismissal.

[stemit14]

For what it’s worth, Dube was interviewed at the BOA golf tournament. Was taking questions about the offseason and the upcoming season. If the flames knew he might be named in the Hockey Canada investigation, you would think they would want him to avoid events representing the team. I might be reading too much into it though.


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[mile]

Originally Posted by stemit14

for what it’s worth, dube was interviewed at the boa golf tournament. Was taking questions about the offseason and the upcoming season. If the flames knew he might be named in the hockey canada investigation, you would think they would want him to avoid events representing the team. I might be reading too much into it though.


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[Parallex]

Originally Posted by stemit14

For what it’s worth, Dube was interviewed at the BOA golf tournament. Was taking questions about the offseason and the upcoming season. If the flames knew he might be named in the Hockey Canada investigation, you would think they would want him to avoid events representing the team. I might be reading too much into it though.


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I think you're giving them (The Flames) more credit then they're due. Regardless if the NHL is going to suspend anyone as a result of their internal investigation then I wish they'd #### or get off the pot already. Offseason is going to be over before you know it and it would be really awkward to have that drop after training camp opens or later.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by stemit14

For what it’s worth, Dube was interviewed at the BOA golf tournament. Was taking questions about the offseason and the upcoming season. If the flames knew he might be named in the Hockey Canada investigation, you would think they would want him to avoid events representing the team. I might be reading too much into it though.


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Why would they have any idea at all? Tipped off about the ongoing investigations? Say they acted on that… how would that go if he was later cleared? Lawsuit.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Why would they have any idea at all? Tipped off about the ongoing investigations? Say they acted on that… how would that go if he was later cleared? Lawsuit.

With how many reporters/insiders that have claimed to know the names (but not reporting them), a lot of us are assuming NHL general managers would also be aware of the names and they would be planning accordingly.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by stemit14

With how many reporters/insiders that have claimed to know the names (but not reporting them), a lot of us are assuming NHL general managers would also be aware of the names and they would be planning accordingly.

How do you plan for something that you don’t know the ultimate outcome for? They basically can only plan that he’d be fully cleared of wrongdoing. Anything else is guess work. Guess work which would require insider info in an ongoing criminal investigation…. And acting on that info.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

How do you plan for something that you don’t know the ultimate outcome for? They basically can only plan that he’d be fully cleared of wrongdoing. Anything else is guess work. Guess work which would require insider info in an ongoing criminal investigation…. And acting on that info.

I think the idea is that if there’s a half decent chance he’s involved, you don’t trot him out representing the time until you know for sure.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think the idea is that if there’s a half decent chance he’s involved, you don’t trot him out representing the time until you know for sure.

Yeah, what I’m saying is any sort of holding of Dube back at this point isn’t something the Flames can legally do… it would be a mess. So he’s the only guy not getting contacted for contractual obligations like off ice activities? If I was his agent I’d lose my mind about it. It’s implying guilt.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think the idea is that if there’s a half decent chance he’s involved, you don’t trot him out representing the time until you know for sure.

TBF, how many Flames are even around in August to take part? He may not have been choice number one.