08-06-2023, 09:11 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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This is a Dumba contract.
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08-06-2023, 10:43 PM
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#22
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Originally Posted by Jordan!
We’re able to sign way more Free Agents that Winnipeg and we play in a College rink. 
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The Yotes are a joke of a franchise. People who live in glass college houses shouldn't throw stones
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08-07-2023, 12:12 AM
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#23
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jordan!
Coyotes are a playoff team
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Yup, a game 82 win against the oilers to steal the spot from them
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08-07-2023, 12:30 AM
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#24
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordan!
We’re able to sign way more Free Agents that Winnipeg and we play in a College rink.
Need to move the Jets back to Atlanta |
Ok but part of that is because the Coyotes typically have more cap space than most teams. It would be struggle most years for them to reach the cap floor if not for LTIRetirement contracts.
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08-07-2023, 08:45 AM
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Ok but part of that is because the Coyotes typically have more cap space than most teams. It would be struggle most years for them to reach the cap floor if not for LTIRetirement contracts.
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I'm going to say it's because nobody wants to live and play in Winnipeg and players do want to live and play here.
Just wait until there is a permanent arena, top 5 destination in the league!
Last edited by Jordan!; 08-07-2023 at 12:10 PM.
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08-07-2023, 08:54 AM
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#26
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Franchise Player
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NM misread
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08-07-2023, 08:59 AM
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#27
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jordan!
I'm going to say it's because nobody wants to live and play in Winnipeg and plays do want to live and play here.
Just wait until there is a permanent arena, top 5 destination in the league!
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LOL
Phoenix isn't a top 5 destination in any other sport, why would it ever be one in hockey? Nothing against the city, but it doesn't really attract pro athletes and then you have the organization itself. How can the current group ever be considered the type of organization that athletes will aspire to join?
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08-07-2023, 09:03 AM
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#28
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Franchise Player
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Hmm... it seems like the state of Arizona is actually pretty desirable for the rich. The questions around the actual organization are valid, but if they do somehow stay there and get a new arena that is in a good location, I think it could quickly turn into a highly desirable place to play with the weather.
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08-07-2023, 09:31 AM
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#29
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Franchise Player
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Phoenix has hot weather and Arizona's tax situation is reasonable. But a place that has the vibe that attracts athletes the way SoCal, Miami, Vegas, NY do? Even Dallas has more athletes that make it their off season home.
Mind you, the NHL demographic is different. Basically no black players in the NHL which does fit with Phoenix.
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08-07-2023, 10:41 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
LOL
Phoenix isn't a top 5 destination in any other sport, why would it ever be one in hockey? Nothing against the city, but it doesn't really attract pro athletes and then you have the organization itself. How can the current group ever be considered the type of organization that athletes will aspire to join?
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It is if your the Doan type, love playing golf, hot weather, playing meaningless no pressure games, it's like year round retirement.
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08-07-2023, 12:13 PM
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#31
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Originally Posted by 1Nite
It is if your the Doan type, love playing golf, hot weather, playing meaningless no pressure games, it's like year round retirement.
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The Coyotes have been in the Conference Finals more recently than The Flames.
The same could've been said about South Florida until recently, past history means nothing when you have stability.
Low taxes, amazing weather, generally you can be yourself in public. I stand by that.
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08-07-2023, 12:30 PM
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#32
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordan!
I'm going to say it's because nobody wants to live and play in Winnipeg and players do want to live and play here.
Just wait until there is a permanent arena, top 5 destination in the league!
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How’s that going anyways? About as well as the Chayka rebuild?
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08-07-2023, 12:48 PM
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#33
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jordan!
The Coyotes have been in the Conference Finals more recently than The Flames.
The same could've been said about South Florida until recently, past history means nothing when you have stability.
Low taxes, amazing weather, generally you can be yourself in public. I stand by that.
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You don’t have stable ownership.
You don’t have a track record of success.
You play in a college arena (and a small one at that).
Voters rejected a new arena proposal.
No existing plans for a new arena.
Phoenix is a nice city that, broadly speaking, attracts retirees more than it attracts prime of their life athletes living a more lavish lifestyle.
To throw out the team as a possible top 5 destination is just preposterous given all of these things. Of course this can change, but so much has to change in this situation. Right now it is a bottom 3 destination and you’re arguing about whether it is preferable to Winnipeg.
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08-07-2023, 01:22 PM
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#34
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I have no doubt that Arizona is a top 10 geographical destination. I don’t know about top 5 though. I think Miami, Tampa, L.A., Anaheim, Las Vegas, Dallas, San Jose, and Raleigh would be ahead of them. But so would Atlanta be if they stuck around. When the Jets first moved there, they had numerous stars jumping in there. The problem is that it is a crappy hockey market. Kind of the opposite situation as Winnipeg.
It may still turn into a good hockey market day, but it has been a long time.
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08-07-2023, 01:24 PM
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
You don’t have stable ownership.
You don’t have a track record of success.
You play in a college arena (and a small one at that).
Voters rejected a new arena proposal.
No existing plans for a new arena.
Phoenix is a nice city that, broadly speaking, attracts retirees more than it attracts prime of their life athletes living a more lavish lifestyle.
To throw out the team as a possible top 5 destination is just preposterous given all of these things. Of course this can change, but so much has to change in this situation. Right now it is a bottom 3 destination and you’re arguing about whether it is preferable to Winnipeg.
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-Ownership is absolutely stable (Although, I'd prefer a sale to Suns own Mat Ishbia)
-Track record of success, see above - most issues due to unstable ownership
-College arena doesn't matter today from all accounts, but a new arena will enhance the attractiveness of the location
-Arena plans will be announced in the next couple of months
-Voters rejecting the Tempe deal doesn't matter
Even at its lowest the location is more desirable than Winnipeg. Who are having issues selling tickets themselves these days
Last edited by Jordan!; 08-07-2023 at 01:29 PM.
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08-07-2023, 01:49 PM
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#36
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by activeStick
Hmm... it seems like the state of Arizona is actually pretty desirable for the rich. The questions around the actual organization are valid, but if they do somehow stay there and get a new arena that is in a good location, I think it could quickly turn into a highly desirable place to play with the weather.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Phoenix has hot weather and Arizona's tax situation is reasonable. But a place that has the vibe that attracts athletes the way SoCal, Miami, Vegas, NY do? Even Dallas has more athletes that make it their off season home.
Mind you, the NHL demographic is different. Basically no black players in the NHL which does fit with Phoenix.
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Hes right that they need a permanent arena, but the other thing Arizona has...is a disproportionately high population of Wintering Canadians who will go to hockey games as well as people who go to Arizona for whatever reason and will take in a game.
The problem with that, and there are a few, is that is casual. You're not going to sell a lot of Season's Tickets that way.
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08-07-2023, 04:15 PM
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#37
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordan!
-Ownership is absolutely stable (Although, I'd prefer a sale to Suns own Mat Ishbia)
-Track record of success, see above - most issues due to unstable ownership
-College arena doesn't matter today from all accounts, but a new arena will enhance the attractiveness of the location
-Arena plans will be announced in the next couple of months
-Voters rejecting the Tempe deal doesn't matter
Even at its lowest the location is more desirable than Winnipeg. Who are having issues selling tickets themselves these days
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Stable ownership? These are the guys that didn't pay their tax bills to Glendale, embroiled in litigation with Phoenix and FAA, can't get their gambling license off the ground.
Your post isn't really a rebuttal if that is what it was intended to be.
Phoenix - better than Winnipeg.
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08-07-2023, 04:21 PM
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#38
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Queue Matthew McConaughey voice: “Am I driving the car or is the car driving me?”
Folks know this isn’t a real conversation right? Uncle Jordan is effing around (mostly) and y’all take the bait.
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08-07-2023, 04:23 PM
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#39
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Locke
Hes right that they need a permanent arena, but the other thing Arizona has...is a disproportionately high population of Wintering Canadians who will go to hockey games as well as people who go to Arizona for whatever reason and will take in a game.
The problem with that, and there are a few, is that is casual. You're not going to sell a lot of Season's Tickets that way.
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Nor does that translate well to corporate support.
Still, at this point pro sports seems to be viable in almost any decent US metro market. You just need a billionaire who can work out a sweetheart arena deal so the team can essentially stay cash flow neutral through operations. At that point, it is no different than owning an expensive piece of art.
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08-07-2023, 04:30 PM
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NOT a cool kid
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Calgary
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Arizona is a hell hole nightmare for 6 months of the year. Why anyone would stay there year round is beyond me. You basically need to run from you AC house to whatever AC location to survive.
Oh and other hockey stuff I guess
Winnipeg and Arizona are basically the same but flipped weather wise
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