[Trade] Erik Karlsson to Penguins

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Going for 9th place?

I am willing to be anyone anything this fails miserably

You need to get your gambling problem checked out, you like to bet on almost anything.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Treliving is managing the Leafs.

He can still knock on their door everyday though...

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

He can still knock on their door everyday though...

I guess he can, but why the Leafs would be interested in Columbus prospects now is beyond me. They should be trying to win now.

[OptimalTates]

Dino7c thinks they should do what? Trade Crosby and Malkin? Haha.

The Penguins have a clear window right now that's closing. But they aren't going to bottom feed and they aren't going to rebuild while Crosby is still Crosby. So they did this to at least try to win until they burn it down.

In three years time they'll pull a Hawks/Lightning/Avalanche, get rid of anyone who wants out, probably even trade Karlsson at the deadline for a 1st and then bottom feed and draft in the top 3 maybe a couple times, draft the next Crosby and become a contender again. It's planning ahead, we're not use to it because it's not something our previous GM's have done.

These good teams recognize windows and have become cyclical. Go for high highs and low lows.

I said as much last season with the Hawks when they nuked their team, and I'll say it again when the Penguins do it, and it sucks watching these good teams have actual long term plans.

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

So it's looking like the Hawks trade Hagel for firsts, trade DeBrincat for a first+, don't sign Strome. Those players, along with Kane and Jones, formed their top 5 point producers last season.

If the Hawks start contending in 5 years or so off the back of Bedard and friends because they suck for the next season or two, people will bring up how they traded a 1st for Jones so they didn't tear it down. But they clearly are making a conscious choice to "tank" and rebuild.

Just like the Avalanche and Lightning did.

[Mathgod]

The east looks pretty stacked going into this season, so there's reason to doubt that this move suddenly makes the Pens contenders. But we'll see.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Dino7c thinks they should do what? Trade Crosby and Malkin? Haha.

The Penguins have a clear window right now that's closing. But they aren't going to bottom feed and they aren't going to rebuild while Crosby is still Crosby. So they did this to at least try to win until they burn it down.

In three years time they'll pull a Hawks/Lightning/Avalanche, get rid of anyone who wants out, probably even trade Karlsson at the deadline for a 1st and then bottom feed and draft in the top 3 maybe a couple times, draft the next Crosby and become a contender again. It's planning ahead, we're not use to it because it's not something our previous GM's have done.

These good teams recognize windows and have become cyclical. Go for high highs and low lows.

I said as much last season with the Hawks when they nuked their team, and I'll say it again when the Penguins do it, and it sucks watching these good teams have actual long term plans.

It’s easy to have long term plans when you get a Crosby/Malkin/Letang or Kane/Toews/Keith and multiple cups.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by bax

I actually disagree.

Crosby, Malkin, and Letang are all but guaranteed to retire as Pens. They won’t ever completely bottom out with those 3 on the roster. They are already locked into being an older team for the next three seasons.

They might as well go out and acquire the reigning Norris winner who likely won’t be all that expensive to get given his contract. Makes them better.

Everyone knows the terrible, lean years are coming. Makes no sense for them to stand pat and be a playoff bubble team. Young and cheap players won’t be available to help them in the next three seasons given their prospect pool

I don’t think Karlsson makes them significantly better today, that Norris win is a bit of a joke. 100 points and -26 hot dogging around the ice for a bottom 5 team. Will be interesting to see if he’s nearly as effective when a coach wants him to actually play some defense and help the team win or if he’s just back to being a 40 point minus player again.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

It’s easy to have long term plans when you get a Crosby/Malkin/Letang or Kane/Toews/Keith and multiple cups.

Yep, and you'll say the same about Bedard. But they gave themselves an opportunity to get these guys by gutting their team when they correctly recognized the windows they have.

Moreso the new era Tampa, Chicago and Colorado strategy when they know when they want to try for the cup and when they want to try for the 1st overall. Not a constant try to squeak into the playoffs and see what happens.

Karlsson helps them win when they trying to win, a 2024 mid draft pick helps them win when they anticipate not having a chance.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Lol, but why?..

They didn't even make the playoffs last year.

They're not a team on the cusp any more.

Kind of like watching the 2012 Flames at work. From the school of "just get in" with old, depreciating players.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I thought EK was a shoo in to go to Edmonton for peanuts and 50% retention?

So much for that.

[Hackey]

Are people forgetting they traded away their dead weight for Karlsson? So regardless of what you think of Karlsson, he has a way higher probability of making a difference than the guys they traded. And they actually gained some cap space. It's quite low risk with decent potential for good upside.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Yep, and you'll say the same about Bedard. But they gave themselves an opportunity to get these guys by gutting their team when they correctly recognized the windows they have.

Moreso the new era Tampa, Chicago and Colorado strategy when they know when they want to try for the cup and when they want to try for the 1st overall. Not a constant try to squeak into the playoffs and see what happens.

Karlsson helps them win when they trying to win, a 2024 mid draft pick helps them win when they anticipate not having a chance.

Tampa beats us for the Cup and already rebuilt and won a couple more Cups. Avs won the cup around 20 years ago and already rebuilt and won another. Chicago has 3 Cups and are already further along on a new rebuild. Flames I don't even know what they're doing.

[rollie619]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Tampa beats us for the Cup and already rebuilt and won a couple more Cups. Avs won the cup around 20 years ago and already rebuilt and won another. Chicago has 3 Cups and are already further along on a new rebuild. Flames I don't even know what they're doing.

What about Buffalo's rebuild? Florida's? The Oilers 3? It doesn't always end in a cup.

[PuckRunner]

They’ve got 4 pieces of a grey haired Exodia. 3mil for Patty Kane and they have all 5?

Haven’t actually looked at the roster but it just sounds nice.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by rollie619

What about Buffalo's rebuild? Florida's? The Oilers 3? It doesn't always end in a cup.

Thats the other thing too though, neither does 'slow and steady.'

We're perpetually mediocre.

You never hit a home run if you never swing.

[DoubleK]

Double post

[gvitaly]

I think this trade really depends on which Karlsson Pitsburgh is getting. If he's the 100 point D, that's a bit sus defensively it's a good deal. If they're getting the D that played in SJ in the 4 previous seasons and only averaged about 52GP, and 35pts then it's a terrible deal.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

This trade makes sense for all parties involved.

Pitt gets an upgrade on the back end.

SJ gets draft capital and out from under Karlsson's cap hit.

Montreal gets Petry back at a better AAV.

Win-win-win

[Johnny Makarov]

San Jose might have 2 top 10 picks in the 2024 draft... win!

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

San Jose might have 2 top 10 picks in the 2024 draft... win!

Not from this trade, they won't:

Originally Posted by transplant99

From Capfriendly:


2024 1st round pick (PIT) [Conditional]*
*Conditions: Top 10 protected