Pentagon releases UFO videos

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Muta

Jammies - what’s your opinion on the Gimbal/tic-tac videos released by the DoD, the whistleblower testimonies on the activity off the coasts with fighter jet interference, and the Congressional hearings that have recently happened?

Is there anything substantive to have an opinion about? Unless I've missed something, which is possible - since I don't pay attention and assume that tangible evidence would inform consequent news articles and this discussion - there isn't new evidence that goes outside what we've been hearing for decades: pilots seeing things, radar ghosts, "insiders" who never provide more than words, far-reaching government conspiracies, and so on.

No one would be more excited than me if there was real, incontrovertible evidence of alien contact. It'd be the second most important development in human history (after language), and I would be witness to it, and to all the changes that would result. However, just because I would like it to happen, doesn't mean it has or is likely to happen, and so long as the evidence in favour is definitely controvertible I won't be excited or even particularly interested.

[Muta]

I guess more so what do you think about the credibility of the videos and evidence and testimonies so far? Is that going in the right direction, or are you just looking for actual, solid physical proof presented in public right now?

[Snuffleupagus]

No conspiracy at all

[getbak]

The brightest spots are basically a map of the populated English-speaking world.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by getbak

The brightest spots are basically a map of the populated English-speaking world.

So aliens only speak English?

[keratosis]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So aliens only speak English?

Have you never watched StarTrek?
Pfff...

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Do you even pretend to understand half of the bull#### that comes out of your mouth?

Wikipedia has a whole 7 articles on crashes/incidents caused by lightning

So I use Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) data and you use a wikipedia page, and I don't understand the issue? Yeah, you're the real deep thinker here.

[karl262]

Originally Posted by jammies

Is there anything substantive to have an opinion about? Unless I've missed something, which is possible - since I don't pay attention and assume that tangible evidence would inform consequent news articles and this discussion - there isn't new evidence that goes outside what we've been hearing for decades: pilots seeing things, radar ghosts, "insiders" who never provide more than words, far-reaching government conspiracies, and so on.



No one would be more excited than me if there was real, incontrovertible evidence of alien contact. It'd be the second most important development in human history (after language), and I would be witness to it, and to all the changes that would result. However, just because I would like it to happen, doesn't mean it has or is likely to happen, and so long as the evidence in favour is definitely controvertible I won't be excited or even particularly interested.

The substantive thing to have an opinion about is something was observed flying and maneuvering without any visible means of propulsion or lift. And recorded by high tech means. And the recordings were released, albeit reluctantly.

Especially the "Gimbal" video. I can't think of a time when something like this has become public knowledge in the past.

Pretty neat eh?

How is this flying thing flying?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by getbak

The brightest spots are basically a map of the populated English-speaking world.

And also ESRI customers. Would you find it surprising that the vast majority of customers that use ESRI and populate their databases are in the United States?

60% of ESRI customers are in the United States (24,253 of 40,000 customers), 6% in Canada, and 5% in the UK. The next largest customers are 2.5% in India, 2.4% in France, 2.26% in Australia, 1.8% in Germany, 1.5% in the Netherlands, 1.3% in Spain, 1.2% in Brazil. the rest of the globe accounts for only 16% of ESRI use. Coincidence in the map? Also, as far as data goes, most nations do not have public interests that track such data, it falls to the government of the nation. So it is not public information and not shared with such interests that may choose to map such data. For example, Russia (former Soviet Union) and China have a rich history of sightings and research, but all of controlled by the state, hence the lack of data in ESRI. But why would any of this matter, right?

[Fuzz]

What's ESRI have to do with this? You know they have nothing do do with the data collection other than their software used to display it, right? This is the data source:


https://nuforc.org/

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

What's ESRI have to do with this? You know they have nothing do do with the data collection other than their software used to display it, right? This is the data source:


https://nuforc.org/

Probably makes it a little tougher for Lanny to pretend he’s a professor when he flubs simple research that hard.

Even if you just looked at the map, you’d see the sightings it’s presenting predate ESRI entirely and include higher publicized events that have nothing to do with ESRI customers lol. Even if you just look up “ESRI UFO map” you almost instantly find context explaining that the map has nothing to do with ESRI customers.

Between this and the thousands of plane crashes caused by lightning strikes, it’s genuinely hard to take some people who beat the UFO drum under the guise of some “intellectual” or “academic” pursuit of knowledge seriously, when they can’t even correct interpret simple, straightforward information that is readily available. What would some of these people even do with information proving alien contact if they’re that easily stumped?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Hahahaha, that's even worse. That's an American interest collecting data primarily in the United Sates! From their own site:

"The website and hotline are well known by law enforcement agencies, FAA ARTCC’s and flight service stations, National Weather Services offices, military facilities, NASA, and many 911 emergency dispatch centers all across the United States and in many parts of Canada. "

Hmmmm, why would the map show the majority of sightings in the United States for an organization that focuses their services in the United Sates? This is going to take some serious rocket surgery to figure out.

[Fuzz]

Here you are wasting your time mocking it, when you could be combing the gallery for sightings and signs of a coverup, like this convincing one right here:

[Fuzz]

And you've got the Pokeball

Spoiler!

I do appreciate the sound description on this one:

Spoiler!

And you can't forget the free psychedelic bacon ships

Spoiler!

[Dion]

bn

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by jammies

Is there anything substantive to have an opinion about? Unless I've missed something, which is possible - since I don't pay attention and assume that tangible evidence would inform consequent news articles and this discussion - there isn't new evidence that goes outside what we've been hearing for decades: pilots seeing things, radar ghosts, "insiders" who never provide more than words, far-reaching government conspiracies, and so on.

No one would be more excited than me if there was real, incontrovertible evidence of alien contact. It'd be the second most important development in human[I[/I] history (after language), and I would be witness to it, and to all the changes that would result. However, just because I would like it to happen, doesn't mean it has or is likely to happen, and so long as the evidence in favour is definitely controvertible I won't be excited or even particularly interested.

Nah. This to me reads like someone who will never believe anything no matter what it is.

I love how there’s literal military footage of the thing and you’re all like “but where is the evidence???”

Yeah, Fraver sure seems like a real charlatan. I’d like you and the naysayers to please admit that, at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter who or what comes forward- it doesn’t matter because nothing will suffice. “Evidence”. What a joke.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Nah. This to me reads like someone who will never believe anything no matter what it is.

I love how there’s literal military footage of the thing and you’re all like “but where is the evidence???”

Yeah, Fraver sure seems like a real charlatan. I’d like you and the naysayers to please admit that, at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter who or what comes forward- it doesn’t matter because nothing will suffice. “Evidence”. What a joke.

Evidence of what thing? Tell us what the thing is.

[Playfair]

I had a friend who recently passed away. He grew up in the USA. He said that he used to read UFO books all the time. One day his dad, who was in the US Airforce, said, "you like those books eh?" My friend responded in the positive. "Those are experimental aircraft."

Settled it for my friend!

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Nah. This to me reads like someone who will never believe anything no matter what it is.

I love how there’s literal military footage of the thing and you’re all like “but where is the evidence???”

Yeah, Fraver sure seems like a real charlatan. I’d like you and the naysayers to please admit that, at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter who or what comes forward- it doesn’t matter because nothing will suffice. “Evidence”. What a joke.

I have no doubt Fravor is an honorable person who believes what he saw. I also think if he was provided with an explanation of what he saw that had Earthly origins, he'd accept it.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I have no doubt Fravor is an honorable person who believes what he saw. I also think if he was provided with an explanation of what he saw that had Earthly origins, he'd accept it.

I'm sure he would. We all would. But what would that explanation be? Still waiting for one that makes sense. GGG has suggested advanced human tech, but that doesn't make sense considering the testimony before congress. As Fravor says in his testimony this was not of human technology. Not now, not in the past, and not in the immediate future. Fravor was careful to frame that as in the next decade or more while testifying to congress, but he has framed that as centuries in other talks.

You ignore the fact that Fravor is not just some retired fighter jockey. Fravor has worked for Northrop Grumman as an engineer and senior analyst and has been consulting to the aerospace industry for over a dozen years in mission management systems for unmanned and manned vehicles. The guy works on the inside of this topic and is well versed on what is under development. If he's certain it's not human technology I take him at his word and I suspect congress does as well.