2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Hackey

No need to get moody. All I'm saying is if the Flames are currently making the playoffs at a roughly 50% clip, a rebuild that takes 5-6 years and gets you a team that makes the playoffs 5-6 years in a row puts you in the exact same spot. So the risk seems minimal. Especially when you can offset the lost revenue with reduced team spending during those rebuilding years. But if you build the team correctly during those 5-6 years and have a little luck, you should get a solid 5-10 years of steady playoffs and hopefully some deep runs in those years that actually bring in higher revenue. So financially, it seems worth the gamble. Unless of course you believe Craig Conroy is Peter Chiarelli 2.0. In which case, we're doomed no matter what.

Except a lot of rebuilds take longer
Buffalo has been out for 12
Detroit for 7
Ottawa for 6
Anaheim for 5 but could be a few still
San Jose 4 and nowhere close
And then getting in for 5 or 6 straight is no guarantee
Only five current teams have streaks of 5 or longer

[Nelson]

It’s a sad time to be a Flames’ fan. The team’s best centre has received a very large and fair offer. He won’t sign. He seems to be waiting on the team improving in some way, but the team is capped out, and the team’s best left-handed defenceman has indicated he will not return. I suppose you could say that he’s hoping for a large, win-now return for Hanifin. But teams are lowballing the Flames for Hanifin because they know the Flames have to trade Hanifin before the deadline. So, it’s not surprising that Seravalli says the rumours around the league are that Lindholm is leaning towards leaving as well. And in this context, the team believes it can compete, and it is committed towards not rebuilding.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Nelson

It’s a sad time to be a Flames’ fan. The team’s best centre has received a very large and fair offer. He won’t sign. He seems to be waiting on the team improving in some way, but the team is capped out, and the team’s best left-handed defenceman has indicated he will not return. I suppose you could say that he’s hoping for a large, win-now return for Hanifin. But teams are lowballing the Flames for Hanifin because they know the Flames have to trade Hanifin before the deadline. So, it’s not surprising that Seravalli says the rumours around the league are that Lindholm is leaning towards leaving as well. And in this context, the team believes it can compete, and it is committed towards not rebuilding.

Not much to be sad about. This group doesn't work. Out with the old and in with the new.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Hackey

No need to get moody. All I'm saying is if the Flames are currently making the playoffs at a roughly 50% clip, a rebuild that takes 5-6 years and gets you a team that makes the playoffs 5-6 years in a row puts you in the exact same spot. So the risk seems minimal. Especially when you can offset the lost revenue with reduced team spending during those rebuilding years. But if you build the team correctly during those 5-6 years and have a little luck, you should get a solid 5-10 years of steady playoffs and hopefully some deep runs in those years that actually bring in higher revenue. So financially, it seems worth the gamble. Unless of course you believe Craig Conroy is Peter Chiarelli 2.0. In which case, we're doomed no matter what.

Nobody is moody, you OK?

As Jiri pointed out, sure, if *everything* goes right you might net 5-6 years in the playoffs. Maybe. But considering 27/32 teams haven’t made the playoffs 5 years in a row, including the most recent Cup champions… probably not.

What you were saying was that, if ownership actually cared about playoff revenue, they’d rebuild. What you were shown was that a rebuild =/= increased playoff revenue, especially if the Flames of all teams have managed to make more than multiple rebuilding teams, including teams that won championships in that time span. Seriously, think about it. The Flames and the Kings have played the same number of playoff home games over the last 20 years. The Kings won two cups in that time. The Flames have been out of the first round… three times? If that? And you’re pretending a rebuild nets you more playoff revenue than what the Flames are currently doing, when a 2x cup champ has the same number of dates and teams like Buffalo and Edmonton are trailing hard? Hahaha. Yikes.

[Sandman]

The success or failure of the season hinges largely on the coaching staff. The lineup looks good enough to compete on paper, but is Huska an NHL coach? We will see.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Sandman

The success or failure of the season hinges largely on the coaching staff. The lineup looks good enough to compete on paper, but is Huska an NHL coach? We will see.

Think you left out the list of underachieving players from last year.

Huberdeau
Markstrom
Kadri
Magiapane

Pretty sure if they have a repeat performance the season will follow last season.

Not everything is always the coaches fault. That’s the easy way out.

[CrazyCaper]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Think you left out the list of underachieving players from last year.

Huberdeau
Markstrom
Kadri
Magiapane

Pretty sure if they have a repeat performance the season will follow last season.

Not everything is always the coaches fault. That’s the easy way out.

If Rocky IV taught me anything, it's that, There's No Easy Way Out. There's no shortcut home.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And yet the Flames have more playoff revenue. Cool.



The Flames had 47.

The Flames had 12 in 2004

They had 4 in 2006

They had 3 in 2007

They had 3 in 2008

They had 3 in 2009

They had 5 in 2015

They had 2 in 2017

They had 3 in 2019

They had 7 in 2022

My math could be off but I think that adds up to 42 playoff games at the Saddledome in the period you cited when you said they had more home playoff games than Ottawa. Fact of the matter is Ottawa probably made more money over that period as well because they had a much lower overall payroll.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by CrazyCaper

If Rocky IV taught me anything, it's that, There's No Easy Way Out. There's no shortcut home.

And if I can, you can change, everybody can change.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Except a lot of rebuilds take longer
Buffalo has been out for 12
Detroit for 7
Ottawa for 6
Anaheim for 5 but could be a few still
San Jose 4 and nowhere close
And then getting in for 5 or 6 straight is no guarantee
Only five current teams have streaks of 5 or longer

It might be fun to watch them miss the playoffs for 12 seasons in a row though. You never know.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Flames had 12 in 2004

They had 4 in 2006

They had 3 in 2007

They had 3 in 2008

They had 3 in 2009

They had 5 in 2015

They had 2 in 2017

They had 3 in 2019

They had 7 in 2022

My math could be off but I think that adds up to 42 playoff games at the Saddledome in the period you cited when you said they had more home playoff games than Ottawa. Fact of the matter is Ottawa probably made more money over that period as well because they had a much lower overall payroll.

You’re missing 5 in 2020

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by Sandman

The success or failure of the season hinges largely on the coaching staff. The lineup looks good enough to compete on paper, but is Huska an NHL coach? We will see.

Sandman is there any College or European free agents available that we should keep are eye on? Getting a little late in the summer but I'm really surprised or haven't paid attention enough to see CGY not looking into these types of players.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Sandman

The success or failure of the season hinges largely on the coaching staff. The lineup looks good enough to compete on paper, but is Huska an NHL coach? We will see.

Depends on what you mean by compete.

We don’t have an elite goaltender.
We don’t have an elite #1 centre.
We don’t have an elite #1 defenceman.

These are spots that are pretty important. Depending on what Markstrom shows up, we may not even have a competent starting goalie. Depending on what happens with Lindholm, we may not even have a number 1 centre, forget elite.

This roster has a deficit at the top-end, and those are the players that generally drive the boat.

I completely disagree that the season is going to come down to the coaching staff.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

That's not at all what I said, but ok. I can see this is going nowhere.

As the old saying goes "Ask a stupid question...get a stupid answer."

You, Hackey and Spurs are all close to "ignore" territory for me with your constant obstinacy and obvious dislike for this team. PW is already there. Maybe go and find your echo chamber on HF.

It's one thing to discuss and have polar opposite views. It's another to have nothing BUT polar opposite views - to everyone and everything.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You’re missing 5 in 2020

Played in the bubble, so no playoff revenue. I'm guessing that's why they didn't count those dates.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

As the old saying goes "Ask a stupid question...get a stupid answer."

You, Hackey and Spurs are all close to "ignore" territory for me with your constant obstinacy and obvious dislike for this team. PW is already there. Maybe go and find your echo chamber on HF.

It's one thing to discuss and have polar opposite views. It's another to have nothing BUT polar opposite views - to everyone and everything.

It's like they don't understand is a kids game for fun and nothing more

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Played in the bubble, so no playoff revenue. I'm guessing that's why they didn't count those dates.

Yes but it is a future projection. Unless you predict a bubble happens again, those home dates are part of the future projections, no?


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[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Sandman is there any College or European free agents available that we should keep are eye on? Getting a little late in the summer but I'm really surprised or haven't paid attention enough to see CGY not looking into these types of players.

Our farm team is already stacked.

Hard to entice College/Euro free agents when there is already little room for players.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

Yes but it is a future projection. Unless you predict a bubble happens again, those home dates are part of the future projections, no?

If you're doing that, the "play-in" games shouldn't be counted since they don't exist in the real NHL playoffs. They played 3 "home" playoff games in 2020.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

Yes but it is a future projection. Unless you predict a bubble happens again, those home dates are part of the future projections, no?


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I'm not trying to make that poster's case, just trying to make sense of their math.