How much damage did Covid do?

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by habernac

Too many Yoho dummies out there, they had to do it.

No they really didn't. Schools were a proven non vector for the spread. So they shut down schools and rich kids with tutors further compounded the wealth gap. A win I guess if you're wealthy

[habernac]

Horse####. Classes with 3/4 of the students missing. They had to close to slow the spread.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I know, all the anti vaccine idiots who ignored 99.5% of scientific research and instead searched high and low to find experts who would conform to their world view. All those morons who would rather take their medical advice from someone with a YouTube channel than a near unanimous opinion held by some of the most highly educated and respected people in the world. Now don't get me wrong there were some people who disagreed and who had impressive credentials but at the same time science works by looking at the whole body of evidence and not just those sources that are most convenient for your world view.

The same people who are looking for a conspiracy about everything are unsurprisingly the same people who found a conspiracy in this as they do anything.

There were a number of factors that contributed to the slow acceptance of the vaccine, like the general view in society, at the time, about vaccination in general, e.g. as it pertained to the flu vaccine, the unprecedented speed of development and universal use, etc.

I don't believe everybody that failed to get on board with the vaccine was a chronic conspiracy believing type. I think many were somewhat skeptical of science in general, or believed that covid wouldn't happen to them.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by habernac

Horse####. Classes with 3/4 of the students missing. They had to close to slow the spread.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...tudy-1.5481731

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...pening-safety/

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/2404...pread-schools/

Arent you one of the follow the science people? edit: That's not a bad thing. I also want to follow the science. I didn't mean it as a pejorative I meant you're a hypocrite.

[PepsiFree]

I see the protesters still going and even saw new ones on the pedestrian bridge to mcmahon over crowchild this week. And man, imagine being that useless and lost in life. COVID gave these people purpose and without it they’re just nothing so they can’t let go.

Pretty sad if you think about it too much. Pretty funny if you don’t.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I honestly can’t believe more people can not admit they were duped and lied to with Covid.

because as far as I can tell no one was lied or duped about Covid, scientists did what they did, estimated effects, advised Governments, created vaccines, they didnt lie they weren't working for some hidden agenda and under the circumstances they did good, we didnt lost half of the 0ver 50's population that we would have had they not done what they did.

Governments did what they did for equally political reasons, their job was to keep the voters happy and allowing most everyone to lose a few family members to Covid while acceptable when I was a kid aint anymore, there was no ulterior motive.

I was on the board of an extended heath facility in East Van, we lost about 1/3rd of our patients and a couple of staff in the first month, it went through the facility like the black death, now most of those that died were very old and wouldn't live much longer anyway so you could argue the Government shouldn't have shut the country down to save the elderly and the Malthusian part of my nature agrees but we now live in a culture where we spend 4 or 5000 to keep a hamster alive a few months longer, people actually spend tens of thousands keeping cats alive when they get cancer, I grew up in an era when you didnt even pay for the vet to put the cat down, your dad just took it out with a ball peen hammer, your granny didnt die in a hospital, the eldest daughter was expected to take Granny in and watch her die in the guest bedroom, we aint that tough anymore, times have changed and Canada, the west would have lost its collective #### if 1/3rd of the sick elderly died in 6 months or so and that was the cost of not doing what we did.

There was no lying, there were mistakes and #### ups but no one lied, I even accept that even the ignorant dumb asses that think it was all some globalist plot aren't lying, they genuinely believe the dumb assed rubbish they spout because they are stupid and dont understand the difference between coincidence and causality, well most of the time they dont really understand reality, but stupid is as stupid does

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

AFC, I think that the main difference I have with your belief is that it didn't only kill those on deaths doorstep. There were a large number of people who needed high amounts of oxygen and specialized medical procedures to survive. Lots of these people were in their 40s through early 60s. It is easy to say that a pneumonia is an old man's death and that no one lives forever... But it is different if you are telling someone in their mid 50s that there are no more ventilators available so they will likely die gasping for oxygen being unable to suck enough back through their COVID ravaged lungs.

Our healthcare system only really works until we are overrun and this is as close as we have ever come to getting to that point.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

AFC, I think that the main difference I have with your belief is that it didn't only kill those on deaths doorstep. There were a large number of people who needed high amounts of oxygen and specialized medical procedures to survive. Lots of these people were in their 40s through early 60s. It is easy to say that a pneumonia is an old man's death and that no one lives forever... But it is different if you are telling someone in their mid 50s that there are no more ventilators available so they will likely die gasping for oxygen being unable to suck enough back through their COVID ravaged lungs.

Our healthcare system only really works until we are overrun and this is as close as we have ever come to getting to that point.

Oh no disagreement and had we gone down the path the Covid deniers wished 'it's just flu' etc then no one with Covid gets within a mile of a hospital, they are all sent home to die with no oxygen and what little help their family can give, that's the part the deniers dont get, Covid wasnt going to kill us with Covid, it would kill us with Cancer or road accidents as the hospitals would be full of grannys on ventilators, doctors and nurses would survive covid but be off sick constantly so the whole health care system grinds to a halt, all of that would have been fine in 1969 but it isnt anymore, everything the Government did around Covid was because of who we are as a population now, the dumb schmoes that deny covid and think the vaccine is a hoax are the same idiots that would lose their #### if they were asked to watch Granny die with no medical help what so ever as the only alternative to what we did

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I was so fortunate.

The one time I thought I'd caught it, I tested negative throughout.

I had something nasty in December 2019 that could've been COVID if it was already here before we realized it/began reporting it.

The way friends and family described the experience sounds not fun, even in milder cases.

The people who protested because they couldn't go to movie theaters (which were hardly even open) or the bar were selfish, because at the time it was seen as a real threat to the public. And initially before the mutations when it was novel, it was a threat. But these characters just disregarded and strolled into venues maskless and berated cashiers who had no say in the matter because the business followed AHS guidelines.

The thing is the freedumb people want us to respect their right and choice in the matter and yet, at the time, they showed people that took the medical advice no respect whatsoever to exercise their own choices. They pushed their choice on others without consent or regard by invading their space just to make a scene. The problem was they couldn't quietly and respectfully go about their choice, they had to make it be known what their choice was. And that's immensely immature behaviour for adults. It's clearly some kind of trauma beyond the pandemic being triggered in them to react in a manner so inordinate to the actual situation.

Some of them believe they're speaking for good principles and truth or whatever, but their behaviour continues to be rooted in selfish thinking, with no one else in mind but them and their like-minded buddies. I just see a collection of children who didn't get enough pats as infants, acting roughly the same way a child would if denied an ice cream cone.

It's sad, but the truth of it is some people still have growing up to do. Hopefully one day they assume responsibility for their life situations and finally dispose of the victim antics and actually take the contructive actions needed to put themselves in a better place where they don't feel the need to rail against reality, rather than living out this reality where Justin Trudeau and the left wing hold the keys to their ability to be happy and functioning adults.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by Puppet Guy

Has anyone kept up with their pandemic hobbies?

Snacking and munching.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Remote learning works - kinda - for motivated kids who have educated and engaged parents. It’s an abysmal failure for kids who struggle with learning or have chaotic home lives. No amount of preparation can fix that.

The only silver lining to the covid learning catastrophe is that the loss has been so severe and so well-documented by education and child welfare bodies that we won’t see those kinds of mass closures happen again. Going forward, authorities will do everything humanly possible to keep in-person schools running.

I doubt it. People were up in arms last fall and pushing for measures in schools. There were plenty of people not ready to relax measures and keep schools closed. I have to think they'd mount pressure again.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteEbola

Snacking and munching.

I gained more weight than I care to admit, and I am having trouble losing it. Also, when I contracted COVID it was hell for 5 days. I experienced peripheral neuropathy that made me want to eat a bullet.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Some family gained weight (although people didn't initially notice, they just kept vocally pointing it out for some reason) and have become very reserved and hermit-like since, unfortunately. We miss them.

I don't think any one should take any shame in whatever physical decline they endured during the pandemic. It was a tough time for every one. And if you were confined to a room for 10-14 days on multiple occasions? You would absolutely suffer from a fitness standpoint.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Puppet Guy

Has anyone kept up with their pandemic hobbies?

Still killing time on Calgarypuck.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...tudy-1.5481731

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...pening-safety/

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/2404...pread-schools/

Arent you one of the follow the science people? edit: That's not a bad thing. I also want to follow the science. I didn't mean it as a pejorative I meant you're a hypocrite.

There are also studies to show its affects too. One think to take note of is in the imperial college study and the one I link below that interventions like masking and cohorting are effective. So it isn’t do nothing and good things happen. It’s so every intervention within schools and communities to keep schools open.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2103420118

The other thing to note is that in Alberta after the first closure Alberta schools weren’t closed to prevent the spread of Covid. They were closed because they ran out of teachers and students. The prevelance in the community made school not practical.

[Azure]

Looking back, I think a lot of things were true.

I saw families get torn apart because they didn't make sure their grandparents or elderly parents were protected. Had 3 older friends die as a result, all brothers, all in a month. Sure they all had pre-existing conditions, severe diabetic, heart problems, etc.....but man to see an extended family deal with that so quickly, sad.

Then I never actually got sick till right when things started getting back to normal, and then it was the worst sickness of my life. Basically a week + of torture.

Did vaccinations help? Sure? Would it have helped more if we would have focused less on thinking every single person needed to be vaccinated and then allowing them to attend mass events thinking oh they'll be protected, versus just you know stopping mass events from occurring? There were times when hockey rinks had 20k people in them, but we couldn't go eat in a restaurant, and schools were closed despite a statistically extremely low risk to kids, but hey that concert needed to happen. There is a reason we see more studies now talking about the stupidity of a lot of those decisions.

So while there were a lot of stupid decisions made, those decisions were being made by governments that we at any other time would think of as being incompetent when it comes to anything else, so who knows why we all thought they would handle things correctly with COVID. Much of the public health messaging was terrible. Look at surface infection rates. It was proven early on that it wasn't a risk at all, but man I can't imagine how many government cronies got rich from stuff like that where the public was clearly being duped into thinking COVID was a risk in a way where it actually wasn't.

And then we expected the public to make better decisions when public health couldn't get their #### together.

I also think there was a lot of exploitation, fraud, abuse, etc going on. Governments throwing billions at PPE? Hah, taxpayers got shafted on that. Go read studies on how effective 'masks' were that you bought on Amazon. And yet someone was raking it in selling it as something that it wasn't. Vaccines, which taxpayers paid for, that were peddled as being extremely effective, but not effective enough to help 3rd world countries. Surely couldn't forgo a hundreds of billions in profits to help the poor people could we. But of course we all KNEW that the its a money making enterprise, and yet we choose to ignore how blatantly we were being screwed over on that side. Still pisses me off reading how much profit Pfizer and their corrupt industry partners were raking in, and how much did the government spend developing everything and got nothing out of it? I guess we should go look at who holds Pfizer stock. Surely wouldn't be anyone in Congress, would it? No, of course not.

So yeah, end of day lots of dumb decisions made that I think looking back really created issues with what we knew very early. Who was most at risk, and how to protect them. The horror stories of care homes, nursing homes, etc....just terrible what happened to those people. When the military has to go in and is disgusted with what they find, you know we were doing something really wrong.

Curious once all is said and done, what was the vaccination rate for people over 55 in Canada? Say double shot.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by GGG

The other thing to note is that in Alberta after the first closure Alberta schools weren’t closed to prevent the spread of Covid. They were closed because they ran out of teachers and students. The prevelance in the community made school not practical.

Yeah, it's weird how everyone focuses on schools so much, at least from a Canadian perspective. Here in BC, schools were closed for April and May in 2020, and then after that they were closed for a grand total of 3 days when the 2021-22 Christmas Break was extended slightly. I guess it makes for an emotional appeal, but there really wasn't a ton of educational disruption here.

And related to what you're saying, the counterfactual to the few measures they did take wasn't everything as normal; there still would have been disruption, but it'd have been due to more widespread infections in schools and people self-limiting what they do (i.e. fewer kids would show up with fewer measures in place, a good portion of the population would have worn masks anyway, etc.).

[Acey]

One of the frustrating things about losing my dad to COVID was hearing people say that the disesase isn't real, it's just the flu, etc. Hearing daily updates from the doctors about my dad's lungs being obliterated in the ICU for a month with the simultaneous rhetoric of the disease being fake was tough.

Nobody ever tells anybody with cancer their disease isn't real.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

No they really didn't. Schools were a proven non vector for the spread. So they shut down schools and rich kids with tutors further compounded the wealth gap. A win I guess if you're wealthy

Based on my own experience with putting my daughter into daycare, there's no way that anyone could ever convince me that schools did not spread Covid, or any other communicable virus. My daughter brought a new virus home every few weeks for her first 6 months or so in daycare. Non-stop runny nose.

The bit about kids not being carriers for Covid was garbage too. She had covid twice, both times with easily observable symptoms. She spread it to my wife.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by blankall

Based on my own experience with putting my daughter into daycare, there's no way that anyone could ever convince me that schools did not spread Covid, or any other communicable virus. My daughter brought a new virus home every few weeks for her first 6 months or so in daycare. Non-stop runny nose.

The bit about kids not being carriers for Covid was garbage too. She had covid twice, both times with easily observable symptoms. She spread it to my wife.

You werent supposed to keep letting her out of the cage.