Great talent but I have to ask how she didn't criticize Islam? Personally I'm against hating on any religion because it's part of people's core beliefs but for her to criticize Christianity, then convert to Islam and not say anything is awfully rich.
Great talent but I have to ask how she didn't criticize Islam? Personally I'm against hating on any religion because it's part of people's core beliefs but for her to criticize Christianity, then convert to Islam and not say anything is awfully rich.
I think all religion is stupid and frankly they all deserve ridicule, but I also agree with you that criticizing Catholicism but converting to an even worse ideology is hypocritical.
I also didn't think it was really necessary to mention, but eh.
I think all religion is stupid and frankly they all deserve ridicule, but I also agree with you that criticizing Catholicism but converting to an even worse ideology is hypocritical.
I also didn't think it was really necessary to mention, but eh.
It was a major part of her legacy, which is why I mentioned it. I still feel bad for her family as she was a troubled person.
was born in Dublin town
Where there was not too much going on down
For girls whose only hope
Was not to find a man who could piss in a pot
So early I heard my first guitar
And I knew I wanted to be a big star
And I told my poor worried father
Said I ain't gonna go to school no more
'Cause see I want to look cool and I want to look good
With my hair slicked back and my black leather boots
want to stand up tall with my boobs upright
And feel real hot when the makeup's nice
I get sexy underneath the lights
Like I want to #### every man in sight
Baby come home with me tonight
Make you feel good make you feel all right
I'm going away to London
I got myself a big fat plan
Gonna be a singer in a rock 'n' roll band
And I'm gonna change everything I can
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Great talent but I have to ask how she didn't criticize Islam? Personally I'm against hating on any religion because it's part of people's core beliefs but for her to criticize Christianity, then convert to Islam and not say anything is awfully rich.
Was it a criticism to Christianity or the Catholic Church? I think it was the latter, which doesn’t really make her a hypocrite in that way.
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Prince wrote it. Sinead covered it. Cornell also covered it. All three gone way too soon.
I have a really hard time listening to that song without tearing up. It’s so beautiful and sad. Cornell’s version is amazing.
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But living an honest life - for that you need the truth. That's the other thing I learned that day, that the truth, however shocking or uncomfortable, leads to liberation and dignity. -Ricky Gervais
A lot of my friends have been posting this one. It deserves a place among her classics, sadly as relevant as the day it was made.
Quote:
Margareth Thatcher on TV
Shocked by the deaths that took place in Beijing
It seems strange that she should be offended
The same orders are given by her
I've said this before now
You said I was childish and you'll say it now
Remember what I told you
If they hated me they will hate you
England's not the mythical land of Madame George and roses
It's the home of police who kill black boys on mopeds
And I love my boy and that's why I'm leaving
I don't want him to be aware that there's
Any such thing as grieving
Young mother down at Smithfield
Five a.m., looking for food for her kids
In her arms she holds three cold babies
And the first word that they learned was please
These are dangerous days
To say what you feel is to dig your own grave
Remember what I told you
If you were of the world they would love you
England's not the mythical land of Madame George and roses
It's the home of police who kill blacks boys on mopeds
And I love my boy and that's why I'm leaving
I don't want him to be aware that there's
Any such thing as grieving
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The same people that are telling you you need to see Sounds of Freedom are the same people that cancelled Sinead O'Connor.
I remember at the time almost no one standing up for her. And those that even sort of did, did so with big caveats about not doing that to someone so important to so many people. Different than canceling these days where one side usually gets behind the cancellee.
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The same people that are telling you you need to see Sounds of Freedom are the same people that cancelled Sinead O'Connor.
I don't agree with this. The new alt-right movement is relatively new and doesn't have its roots in the conservatism of old. In fact, many of the new Alt-right movements have their roots in what would be considered left wing movements in the 90s. They are staunchly pro freedom of speech and anti-organizational.
At some point libertarianism type thought became opposed to new liberal movements that put group identity and group rights over individual ones. This leads to people assuming freedom of speech means you have the right to make homophobic, anti-trans, racist, etc.. statements without consequences.
There has been some adoption of "traditional" culture and gender roles, but I wouldn't say that the root of the philosophy lies in, for example, conservative supporters of the Catholic Church. The new alt-right movements associate themselves with a "rebel" type culture, and most of their philosophy is based on this identity. For example, the anti-vax movement is based on a rebellion against perceived corrupted governmental organizations and a hinderance of personal choice, not because religious doctrine tells not to take vaccines.
The Sounds of Freedom supporters are mostly Libertarians gone awry, as opposed to supporters of the Catholic Church.
Totally agree. Just saying certain types of people haven't changed. If an artist did that today I would think the outcome would be very similar. Maybe not as wide spread but there would still be a tonne of backlash.
The wool over our collective minds is slowly being pulled back but some are still very timid about it. She was a fierce women that stood for her beliefs. We maybe should have paid a little more attention back then and we would be better off now.
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Totally agree. Just saying certain types of people haven't changed. If an artist did that today I would think the outcome would be very similar. Maybe not as wide spread but there would still be a tonne of backlash.
The wool over our collective minds is slowly being pulled back but some are still very timid about it. She was a fierce women that stood for her beliefs. We maybe should have paid a little more attention back then and we would be better off now.
I would agree. We are at a point where politics is based around knee jerk reactions. When an act gets associated with left wing supporters, you'd have the pro-freedom crowd show up to condemn it without putting any thought into why. The left isn't immune from that either.
I don't really look at political affiliation when it comes to stuff like this. A putz is a putz. Lots of things in the 80's and into the 90's were both liberal and conservative since the views were largely shaped by christianity which by its nature is conservative. Obviously there are extremes in there but in general all religion is conservative leaning. Religion is sliding so our views are opening up but the thought process behind people still holding these views has not.
The old panel led by Tipper Gore that fought music and lyrics back in the 80's was made up of both democrats and republicans but the idea behind it was still stupid.
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Criticizing Catholicism was especially intense for Sinead, as she was Irish. At the time, Ireland still had lots of protestant/catholic conflict. For someone from the Republic of Ireland to publicly break rank with the Catholic Church was a big deal, as the Republic defined itself by its Catholic identity.
I'm singing this song for my sister Sinead
Concerning the god awful mess that she made
She told them her truth just as hard as she could
Her message profoundly was misunderstood
There's humans entrusted with guarding our gold
And humans in charge of the saving of souls
And humans responded all over the world
Condemning that bald headed brave little girl
And maybe she's crazy and maybe she ain't
But so was Picasso and so were the saints
And she's never been partial to shackles or chains
She's too old for breaking and too young to tame
It's askin' for trouble to stick out your neck
In terms of a target a big silhouette
But some candles flicker and some candles fade
And some burn as true as my sister Sinead
- Kris Kristofferson, "Sister Sinead"
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