2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

I look at a team like Nashville and wonder if it might be a good landing spot for Hanifin. They've always seemed to value defence in that organization. Perhaps taking a pending UFA in Barrie back as part of the return to help with Cap, and a prospect and pick?

Hanifin (extended)

for

Matthew Wood, Tyson Barrie, 2024 2nd


Then intend to flip Barrie at the TDL for an additional 2nd? Too little coming back to Flames?

Tough to see Nashville biting on this but I'd do it in a second.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Tough to see Nashville biting on this but I'd do it in a second.

I might not even need that 2nd rounder. I'd do it for Wood Barrie and a 4th or 5th

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I might not even need that 2nd rounder. I'd do it for Wood Barrie and a 4th or 5th

Could see them wanting to do Molendyk instead who I'm less familiar with but seemed like a reach at that pick. But side benefit of having an Oilers first rounder so could be alright.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If I was an owner or GM I don't think I would be operating on 5% annual growth for more than a few years at a time especially only a few years removed from a pandemic. Things can change fast.

The Canadian dollar is always at a risk of falling too.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I might not even need that 2nd rounder. I'd do it for Wood Barrie and a 4th or 5th

Same.

Wood has top 6 potential. Could end up being a great deal for the Flames.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by traptor

Are we in win now though?
We sold our top scorer from last season. We hired a rookie coach.

We're saving multiple spots for prospects and trying to get younger.

In Conroy's recent interview, Kerr asked Conroy if this team is a legitimate contender. Conroy paused, then said that this team is better than it showed last season.

All this doesn't make me think that Conroy thinks this is a win-now team.

Conroy is going to run the season as if he was in win-now mode to see what he actually has to play with. Conroy hesitates to answer questions about competing, because he doesn't know what he actually has here.

Last year was bizarro Sutter world. Toffoli is not the top scorer on the team in a normal year. Toffoli is a 50-60 point who was a huge Sutter favorite and excelled more under a Sutter system than most players. The team wisely chose not to give Toffoli, aged 31, the large extension he was looking for. In a regular year Toffoli is 4-6 in scoring on the team. He's far closer to the Mangiapane/Coleman/Backlund level of contribution than he should be to the Huberdeau/Lindholm/Kadri level.

Having multiple spots for prospects is a normal way to run a franchise. Plugging all spots on the team with griding journeymen is not normal. On any other team, competing or not, guys like Pelletier, Coronato, Ruzicka, Duehr and Zary would all be getting playing time. Their inclusion on the team doesn't signal anything either way. In fact, many of the Stanley Cup winners won Stanley Cups because players like that stepped up in their 1-2 years and put up 40-60 points, pushing their team over the top. In a cap world, you need guys on ELCs who can contribute.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by blankall

If the economy stabalizes in any meaningful way, 5% cap increases are imminent. Inflation over the last few years was 20-30% and the cap remained flat. As soon as everything evens out with wages, prices, cost of living etc... that 20-30% inflation will be reflected with in the cap. I'd expect 5+% cap inflation for the next 5-6 years. We've got all the inflation ongoing now to account for and all the inflation for the last 4 years, while the cap was flat.

TV revenue in the states is flat through 2028, so that will not go up.

Looks like TV revenue in Canada will go down after 2025, at a minimum it appears that it will likely be flat for the next contract.

That should take care of about 25% of all revenue being flat for the next 5 years. So to get to 5% the ticket prices would have to be jacked by about 14% each and every year to get to a 10% overall revenue increase. And people would have to pay it too presumably. Does a family who pays 250 bucks for 4 nose bleed seats pay 500 bucks for them in 2027 just to keep the cap going up? Maybe, who knows.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

TV revenue in the states is flat through 2028, so that will not go up.

Looks like TV revenue in Canada will go down after 2025, at a minimum it appears that it will likely be flat for the next contract.

That should take care of about 25% of all revenue being flat for the next 5 years. So to get to 5% the ticket prices would have to be jacked by about 7% each and every year to get to a 5% overall revenue increase. And people would have to pay it too presumably.

TV revenue is a dying. TV revenue, overall, peaked in Canada in 2014:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...20since%202014.

The fact that the NHL is holding ground with TV revenue is a huge win. And yes, I do expect tickets, food prices, merchandise prices to rise.

Even if they don't as Getbak explained, the system is more complicated and we are in a mandated holding pattern. Revenues in 2022/23 were the highest ever at 5.7 billion, which is 300 million higher than the next highest year, 2021/2022. The highest pre-pandemic revenues was $5.09 billion in 2018/19.

So yes, NHL revenues are already way up. We will likely see them going up as the lingering effects of the pandemic finally dissipate.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by blankall

TV revenue is a dying. TV revenue, overall, peaked in Canada in 2014:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...20since%202014.

The fact that the NHL is holding ground with TV revenue is a huge win. And yes, I do expect tickets, food prices, merchandise prices to rise.

Even if they don't as Getbak explained, the system is more complicated and we are in a mandated holding pattern. Revenues in 2022/23 were the highest ever at 5.7 billion, which is 300 million higher than the next highest year, 2021/2022. The highest pre-pandemic revenues was $5.09 billion in 2018/19.

So yes, NHL revenues are already way up. We will likely see them going up as the lingering effects of the pandemic finally dissipate.

So in 4 years the players share went up by 300 million, for total cap.

In 18/19 the players would have had 2.55 billion divided by 31 teams for about 82 million a team. 4 years later they would have had 2.85 billion divided by 32 teams or about 89 million a team. About an 8.5% increase over 4 years, or about 2% a year.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think the Flames have been fairly transparent that their preference is to resign Lindholm. If they are forced to trade him, I hope that occurs before the start of the season and they also may have to take a futures based package, which would be fine by me.

Hanifin’s even more cut and dry. He’ll be traded at some point.

I can’t think of one team that would give up a futures package for Lindholm that also has the cap space to fit him in.

[InternationalVillager]

I know this is a rumors thread so keep at it but I really think we’re going into the season with this roster as is. I really think Conroy wants to see where this team is at after the new coaches and style of play. Possible rebound from Huberdeau, Kadri and Markstrom. Because if all of a sudden, this team is playing great hockey again and winning, players like Lindholm, Backlund and Hanifin might want to stick around.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think points wise Kadri is going to be the same expecting more points from him is not realistic I think the bounce back we want from him is the fiesty player who can play against the other teams top players and get them off their game.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I think points wise Kadri is going to be the same expecting more points from him is not realistic I think the bounce back we want from him is the fiesty player who can play against the other teams top players and get them off their game.

I think Kadri could be a 65-70pt player next year.

I agree that if you average his entire career then Kadri is a 24G, 57P player, pretty much on par with last season. However in his last 3 seasons in Colorado Kadri averaged 27G, and 71P(prorated to 82GP) before joining the Flames.

I thought that the Mangiapane - Kadri - Dube line was great to start last season, it generated a ton of chances, but they didn't finish as much which I attribute to Mangiapane's injury. Kadri seemed actually quite good offensively up until the all-star break. It's the defensive zone play, and the man to man D where his play seemed to suffer.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Listening to Conroy it sounds like the man on man coverage was a concern to him and Huska and they didn't want to play that way so that should be a positive change.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I think Kadri could be a 65-70pt players next year.

I agree that if you average his entire career then Kadri is a 24G, 57P player, pretty much on par with last season. However in his last 3 seasons in Colorado Kadri averaged 27G, and 71P(prorated to 82GP) before joining the Flames.

I thought that the Mangiapane - Kadri - Dube line was great to start last season, it generated a ton of chances, but they didn't finish as much which I attribute to Mangiapane's injury. Kadri seemed actually quite good offensively up until the all-star break. It's the defensive zone play, and the man to man D where his play seemed to suffer.

Kadri was also only typically given 3rd line minutes in Toronto behind Matthews, Tavares, etc...Kadri putting up 50 points in Toronto from the 3rd line actually makes him one of the most productive 3rd liners in the NHL. Using his Toronto numbers to assess his ceiling isn't really fair.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I can’t think of one team that would give up a futures package for Lindholm that also has the cap space to fit him in.

I’m pretty sure there would be several teams that would make the room for Lindholm right now. Especially if the Flames retain 50%.

Carolina was rumoured to have kicked tires at the deadline and I think they could pull it off fairly easily from a cap perspective. Especially if they would be sending some salary back, which almost any trade with any team would.

I don’t think you should be so quick to underestimate what hoops GM’s can jump through. If there’s an appetite on both sides, it can get done.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by blankall

Kadri was also only typically given 3rd line minutes in Toronto behind Matthews, Tavares, etc...Kadri putting up 50 points in Toronto from the 3rd line actually makes him one of the most productive 3rd liners in the NHL. Using his Toronto numbers to assess his ceiling isn't really fair.

Yeah, but if I would've just said he was a 70pt player in the 3 seasons before last. I would be called for cherry picking my stats, and there would be at least one poster who would tell me he actually hit his career averages, and mention his age for good measure.

That's why I put in both numbers, and that way everyone can draw their own conclusions.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Could see them wanting to do Molendyk instead who I'm less familiar with but seemed like a reach at that pick. But side benefit of having an Oilers first rounder so could be alright.

I would still do the deal if you were to replace Wood with Molendyk. Molendyk was one of the fastest players in the draft, and perhaps the best D-man against the rush in junior hockey. Next year, he'll dominate the WHL, numbers-wise. Many had him going in the last 5 picks of the first round, so not much of a reach, IMO. I have to say though- I don't like Barrie much, but oh well.

I have to say- Nashville hit it out of the park in this draft IMO. Wood and Molendyk in the first, followed by C Felix Nilsson, LW Kalan Lind, RW Jesse Kiiskinen, D Dylan MacKinnon, C Joey Willis, and G Juha Jatkola in the first 4 rounds. Unbelievable.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Kadri only played 1 season with Matthews and Tavares. Before that he was 2nd line player.

He can be very good for us and I think he will be but looking at him for 70 points plus seems like setting yourself up for disappointment. 25 goals 25-30 assists seems about right and anything else would really be gravy. It's the gritty play that was missing from his game.

I think Treliving said it best when be said he's a guy that likes the spotlight and performs in it. Remember the hat trick after the Binnngton incident? The OT goal vs Tampa. That's the guy we need.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Kadri only played 1 season with Matthews and Tavares. Before that he was 2nd line player.

He can be very good for us and I think he will be but looking at him for 70 points plus seems like setting yourself up for disappointment. 25 goals 25-30 assists seems about right and anything else would really be gravy. It's the gritty play that was missing from his game.

I think Treliving said it best when be said he's a guy that likes the spotlight and performs in it. Remember the hat trick after the Binnngton incident? The OT goal vs Tampa. That's the guy we need.

Kadri had good years in Toronto with Lupul as one of his main linemates. Only issue with Kadri is his age. He’s a good player