[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

There is no such thing as a bubble team anymore...its takes near 100 points to make the playoffs most years

Panthers got lucky getting in with 92 and made the finals

this isn't the 21 team NHL of old

Bubble teams doesn't date back to the 21 team NHL, it dates back to...every year.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Panthers were prime example of get in and anything can happens.

The Flames seem to be needing a lot to go right just to make the playoffs, then we have to wait to get struck by lightning in a bottle? I dunno, sounds like a very long-term plan.

[sch19lks]

Originally Posted by Redrum

The Flames seem to be needing that just to make the playoffs, then we have to wait to get struck by lightning in a bottle? I dunno, sounds like a very long-term plan.

I agree. The goal should never be “just get in, anything can happen.” Let’s build a contender that’s in the mix every year. Where has squeaking in got us? We’ve been beyond the first round three times since ‘89. That’s embarrassing. We tried with the Monahan/Gaudreau/Tkachuk core, but it didn’t work. Try again.

You need guys on cheap ELCs to compete in the NHL nowadays. Signing older guys to retirement contracts isn’t a recipe for success in the NHL in 2023

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Bubble teams doesn't date back to the 21 team NHL, it dates back to...every year.

The point is really bad teams don't make the playoffs anymore. You have to have a good season

16 of 21 made the playoffs
Now
16 of 32 make it

100 point WC this season and they took out the defending champs

[jayswin]

But what does that have to do with the term "bubble team"? If anything that term didn;t even exist until after there were 30 teams in the NHL. We use it every year for teams that are hovering around a playoff spot.

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by attempting to push the term out of existence?

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by dino7c

There is no such thing as a bubble team anymore...its takes near 100 points to make the playoffs most years

Panthers got lucky getting in with 92 and made the finals

this isn't the 21 team NHL of old

‘Bubble’ in this context retains its meaning pretty much regardless of how many teams are in the league.

Edit: If anything, you have your argument backwards - the main way in which the term loses its meaning is when you have a smaller league and very few don’t make it - describing those that don’t make it as being bubble teams would be complimentary given that in a 21 team league, you’d have to be almost completely awful not to make it in to the playoffs.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

But what does that have to do with the term "bubble team"? If anything that term didn;t even exist until after there were 30 teams in the NHL. We use it every year for teams that are hovering around a playoff spot.

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by attempting to push the term out of existence?

Call it whatever you like but the difference between a WC and a divisional playoff spot in the Pacific was one win...and the WC team went further in the playoffs.

"Bubble" teams these days are pretty good.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

‘Bubble’ in this context retains its meaning regardless of how many teams are in the league.

The records of these teams are dramatically better though

[Redrum]

So then it's like when they introduce a new bigger coffee cup size and XL becomes L. That sucks, because the Flames have to be even better then.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Redrum

The Flames seem to be needing a lot to go right just to make the playoffs, then we have to wait to get struck by lightning in a bottle? I dunno, sounds like a very long-term plan.

In a season in which just about everything went wrong for the Flames, they almost made the playoffs last year. They're not just hoping to "get struck by lightning in a bottle"(?); this is still a very good team.

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[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

In a season in which just about everything went wrong for the Flames, they almost made the playoffs last year. They're not just hoping to "get struck by lightning in a bottle"(?); this is still a very good team.

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The Flames had the lowest games lost to injury in the league.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Hopefully Zadorov gets 14 goals again. If everything comes together (virtually no injuries, players who had career years last year such as Zadorov, Backlund, Coleman, Rasmus, Dube have career years again and the guys who had bad years have good years) the Flames are easily a playoff team. If one of those three things goes sideways they are likely a bubble team and if two of those things go sideways they are likely a lottery team with a top 10 pick.

Come on brother. I know you're schtick is Mr. Negative, but the bad season of Huberdeau and Markstrom dwarves whatever career years you are pulling out there. How would we ever replace 5 points over the previous season that Coleman had. Or the 3 points over his career high that Backlund had.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Flames had the lowest games lost to injury in the league.

Rangers were 1st, Flames were 2nd. But does exclude Kylington missing the entire season.

[Bingo]

With the one goal losses and overtime record there is little point in debating the Flames had a strange season, bounce wise.

[Enoch Root]

I think the point dino7c was trying to make is that 'bubble team' has the connotation of not being very good, and not having a change to do any damage in the playoffs. With 21 teams, some bad teams get in. But with 32 teams, and the salary cap which keeps the playing field pretty level, there are no bad teams in the playoffs anymore. I think we are going to see more and more WC teams going on runs, because the difference between the 3 division teams, and the WC teams, is basically a couple of OT bounces or shoot-out wins.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think the point dino7c was trying to make is that 'bubble team' has the connotation of not being very good, and not having a change to do any damage in the playoffs. With 21 teams, some bad teams get in. But with 32 teams, and the salary cap which keeps the playing field pretty level, there are no bad teams in the playoffs anymore. I think we are going to see more and more WC teams going on runs, because the difference between the 3 division teams, and the WC teams, is basically a couple of OT bounces or shoot-out wins.

That's correct.

Unless you happen to be in a division which at that time is very weak, a bubble team today has to be quite good.

Year's ago, first round upsets were more rare, as the bottom feeder team were just that. Today, there really isn't any real upsets on the playoffs, as even the wild card teams are quite good.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Every time I see this thread I get annoyed that Lindholm hasn't made up his mind yet

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That's correct.

Unless you happen to be in a division which at that time is very weak, a bubble team today has to be quite good.

Year's ago, first round upsets were more rare, as the bottom feeder team were just that. Today, there really isn't any real upsets on the playoffs, as even the wild card teams are quite good.

With 8 teams in each division, there are no weak divisions anymore. You can have 2 or 3 ####ty teams in a division, but there are going to be some good teams as well.

Also, with the WCs, even if one division is a little thin, the other division will make up for it. Going forward, there will be much fewer weak sisters making the playoffs.

Remember the old Smyth division, with 5 teams, and 4 of them sucked? Yeah, we won't be seeing that sort of thing anymore.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think the point dino7c was trying to make is that 'bubble team' has the connotation of not being very good, and not having a change to do any damage in the playoffs. With 21 teams, some bad teams get in. But with 32 teams, and the salary cap which keeps the playing field pretty level, there are no bad teams in the playoffs anymore. I think we are going to see more and more WC teams going on runs, because the difference between the 3 division teams, and the WC teams, is basically a couple of OT bounces or shoot-out wins.

Not true.

Edmonton made the playoffs and I’ve heard that they’re no good.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Redrum

So then it's like when they introduce a new bigger coffee cup size and XL becomes L. That sucks, because the Flames have to be even better then.

But they just add more hot water and less coffee grounds so the quality of the bigger product is diluted.