Barn Burner: The Boys are Back!! (Boomer, Pinder & Warrener)

[DazzlinDino]

Players are going to have to step up they got what they wanted. Conroy said as much when he said players that are getting paid need to perform. New season, new start.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Players are going to have to step up they got what they wanted. Conroy said as much when he said players that are getting paid need to perform. New season, new start.

That’s the key
The past is in the past and coaching/management have been rebuilt
Time to move ahead
Even though we’ve been in this position before to varying degrees, this coming season is clearly on the players.
I’m looking forward to it

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You're right I was confusing the years.

At least Topfiverecords and All in Good Time get a chance to post and thank each other for more personal shots at me.

It's topfiverecords not Topfiverecords. Any easy one to be right on passed up again.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

They had Robyn Regehr on couple of days ago and he gave a really long and interesting interview. They talked about everything from his life growing up, to his time as a player, and the current situation with the Flames. He also to a shot at the players last season who quit on the coach, in particular Huberdeau.

You did a two armed fist pump to the sky when you heard it. You hate that guy more than anything on earth, lol. It's hilarious.

[rollie619]

The thing that interested me about the Regehr interview, was he said Feaster really had no plan if he couldn't move out the no moves in the 2011 offseason. He admitted "We'd be stuck." If they couldn't make the trades. It makes sense unfortunately. Two decades of misery as a Flames fan.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Regehr is just wrong though, Huberdeau didn't quit on Sutter at all.

Huberdeau was the teams best player (or at worst top 3 with Toffoli and Weegar) down the stretch.

Saying Huberdeau quit on the coach is such a lazy narrative.

Over the last 20 games at 5v5:

Points: 13 (1st)
On Ice GF: 20 (2nd)
On Ice GA: 10 (5th)
GF%: 66.7% (2nd)
xGF%: 57.6% (6th)

That's not a guy that quit on the team to me.

This needs to be stickied and put in front of Flamesaddiction.

[calgarygringo]

Pretty small sample. How about the other 60 games? The season was already done and writing on the wall by then.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Regehr is just wrong though, Huberdeau didn't quit on Sutter at all.

Huberdeau was the teams best player (or at worst top 3 with Toffoli and Weegar) down the stretch.

Saying Huberdeau quit on the coach is such a lazy narrative.

Over the last 20 games at 5v5:

Points: 13 (1st)
On Ice GF: 20 (2nd)
On Ice GA: 10 (5th)
GF%: 66.7% (2nd)
xGF%: 57.6% (6th)

That's not a guy that quit on the team to me.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by calgarygringo

Pretty small sample. How about the other 60 games? The season was already done and writing on the wall by then.

I think a lot of people have no honest idea how big of an adjustment it is going from living and working at South Beach for a decade to suddenly living and working in a wintery Canadian city. Welcome to enormously increased public scrutiny, and a coach that is forcing you to play a particular way that doesn't allow you to do what you've done best throughout your career.

He will be much better production wise this upcoming season than last. I'd bet on it.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I think a lot of people have no honest idea how big of an adjustment it is going from living and working at South Beach for a decade to suddenly living and working in a wintery Canadian city. Welcome to enormously increased public scrutiny, and a coach that is forcing you to play a particular way that doesn't allow you to do what you've done best throughout your career.

He will be much better production wise this upcoming season than last. I'd bet on it.

What do you consider much better? 100 plus point player?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jayswin

This needs to be stickied and put in front of Flamesaddiction.

I never said he can't do it and those numbers just prove that he can do it if he wants to which makes his overall lack of contribution last season all the more frustrating. It's not a question of ability and I never said he doesn't have talent. It's up to him which Huberdeau shows up next season. I do maintain that he needs line mates that can do a lot of the heavy lifting and careful line matching in order to be successful.

Next season is a clean slate and I hope he pulls through, but he deserves all the criticism he gets for the way he played for the first 75% of this past season.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by memphusk

What do you consider much better? 100 plus point player?

Hard to say for sure, but 80 points as a minimum should probably be expected of him (provided he plays all 82 or close to).

[traptor]

Do we really consider 80 points a success for a 10.5 million player in the first year of an 8 year contract?

I guess it depends on how defensively tight they're playing.

If they're playing river hockey I don't think 80 points does it.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Hard to say for sure, but 80 points as a minimum should probably be expected of him (provided he plays all 82 or close to).

I understand that but he should be 90 plus at that salary. Anything else is a disappointment.

[Strange Brew]

He has had two 80+ point seasons in a long career thus far. But if scoring stays up league wide, I'm hoping for at least 90 points and top 20 in league scoring. He's being paid to put up points.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by memphusk

I understand that but he should be 90 plus at that salary. Anything else is a disappointment.

Based on last season, I'll take a 80 points from him and not complain. It would be moderately disappointing, but not completely shameful. Based on his age, it is likely that he already has his career years behind him, but if he can maintain a PPG for a few years, it might not be ideal, but at least tolerable. The second half of that contract could be a killer though unless he ages different than most players.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

He has had two 80+ point seasons in a long career thus far. But if scoring stays up league wide, I'm hoping for at least 90 points and top 20 in league scoring. He's being paid to put up points.

this is misleading...he has been well over PPG in 4 of his last 5 seasons

one year he was injured and had 78 in 69 and another was a 56 games season where he had 61 points

the other two seasons he had 92 and 115

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Based on last season, I'll take a 80 points from him and not complain. It would be moderately disappointing, but not completely shameful. Based on his age, it is likely that he already has his career years behind him, but if he can maintain a PPG for a few years, it might not be ideal, but at least tolerable. The second half of that contract could be a killer though unless he ages different than most players.

The fact he relies on puck movement more then anything else to be effective, has me thinking he might be able to put up decent numbers for the majority of his contract. Fingers crossed.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by memphusk

What do you consider much better? 100 plus point player?

Probably depends who his line mates are. If Lindholm gets shipped out I don’t see much talent left for him to play with.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

this is misleading...he has been well over PPG in 4 of his last 5 seasons

one year he was injured and had 78 in 69 and another was a 56 games season where he had 61 points

the other two seasons he had 92 and 115

It’s not misleading. Those are his actual point totals, not prorated or normalized. Meanwhile you’re picking your favorite two seasons.

Obviously nothing he can do about the Covid season but part of hockey is being on the ice. He has two 80 point seasons in his career.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by calgarygringo

Pretty small sample. How about the other 60 games? The season was already done and writing on the wall by then.

The season was not done by then. It was, in fact, the time when the Flames were fighting hardest to get back into the POs. Which they almost did.

As for the first 60, I saw Huberdeau trying hard, just without a lot of success. He was making a lot of great passes which didn’t get converted. And he was virtually ignored on the power play, which to me is just mind boggling.