[Rumour] Lebrun: Flames prepared to have Hanifin at training camp with low trade offers so Far

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So the bloom is off the recent first round pick that quickly?!

The bloom on the recent 1st round pick has always been being a middle six player. The vast majority of the information leading up to the draft that made projections had him as a top six/second line player. Top line player was rarely mentioned. Only after the selection and the hype cycle kicked into full gear was he blown up to be a potential first line forward.

https://thehockeywriters.com/samuel-...spect-profile/

Honzek is listed as a center but is more likely to become a top-six winger.

https://dobberprospects.com/player/samuel-honzek/

Needs to solidify his play away from the puck but has potential as a middle-six winger at the NHL level.

https://lastwordonsports.com/hockey/...samuel-honzek/

Meanwhile, if he learns how to use his size better in terms of being more physical, and continues building his smart possession-based offence and effective defence, he projects well as a third-line forward in the future.

https://thewincolumn.ca/2023/06/04/s...draft-profile/

Samuel Honzek is a solid prospect who should play NHL games in at least a middle-six role.

https://playnhl.online/2023/03/09/sa...spect-profile/

Honzek is indexed as a middle however is much more likely to turn out to be a top-six winger.

[Erick Estrada]

Yeah. Just because the Flames drafted him and really like him it doesn't change the fact that most scouts that have seen him don't consider him as an elite or even first line talent. Cleary I'm hoping that he has a fantastic season next year and his projection improves but until then it is what it is.

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah. Just because the Flames drafted him and really like him it doesn't change the fact that most scouts that have seen him don't consider him as an elite or even first line talent. Cleary I'm hoping that he has a fantastic season next year and his projection improves but until then it is what it is.

Didn't they say the same about Jarome when he was drafted?

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[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by aaronkarlpatton

Didn't they say the same about Jarome when he was drafted?

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They did mostly.

[FBI]

Honzek is the new Iggy?? YEAH!

[flambers]

Originally Posted by aaronkarlpatton

Didn't they say the same about Jarome when he was drafted?

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He was drafted 11th overall, by the Stars

Scoring 111 points in 1994-1995.

Guessing the scouting report had him as a 1st or 2nd line forward?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald;8776614[url

https://playnhl.online/2023/03/09/samuel-honzek-2023-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/[/url]

Honzek is indexed as a middle however is much more likely to turn out to be a top-six winger.

Projection aside, a hilarious website to source from:

Samuel Honzek was once decided on tenth total within the 2022 CHL Import Draft through the Vancouver Giants, and because then, he has been their primary offensive weapon. Honzek has performed a peak function in all scenarios, taking part in at the first devices of the ability play (PP) and penalty-kill (PK), and regardless of lacking an extended stretch because of an harm sustained on the 2023 Global Junior Championships (WJC), he’s 2d at the Giants in scoring and 7th in issues in step with sport moderate (PPG) amongst draft-eligible gamers within the WHL, with 1.31 PPG regardless of lacking 18 video games.

Brilliant writing, really.

Also a little bit of picking and choosing, consider the line before the one you chose from last word on sports says:

With his size, skating and potential raw skills finding their stride, he has the makings of a future top-six winger.

It’s also the article that compares him to Jamie Benn.

Plenty of sources say he has all the tools to play top six. The 1st line is part of that.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The bloom on the recent 1st round pick has always been being a middle six player. The vast majority of the information leading up to the draft that made projections had him as a top six/second line player. Top line player was rarely mentioned. Only after the selection and the hype cycle kicked into full gear was he blown up to be a potential first line forward.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...al-in-round-1/


This is the only pre-draft profile that matters lol

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by flambers

He was drafted 11th overall, by the Stars

Scoring 111 points in 1994-1995.

Guessing the scouting report had him as a 1st or 2nd line forward?

IIRC many scouts didn't believe Iggy would become much more than a 3rd liner mostly due to his skating.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

What was Iggy projected to be again?

How about Johnny Gaudreau?

We haven't had a newly drafred 1st rounder shine like that at their first dev camp in a long time.

Top six would be great, but I wouldn't rule out his ceiling being higher than that.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by flambers

He was drafted 11th overall, by the Stars

Scoring 111 points in 1994-1995.

Guessing the scouting report had him as a 1st or 2nd line forward?

he had 71 points, 111 PIMs. projected to be a hard nosed 2nd or 3rd liner. He was no Shane Doan who was on the same team and more gifted offensively.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

he had 71 points, 111 PIMs. projected to be a hard nosed 2nd or 3rd liner. He was no Shane Doan who was on the same team and more gifted offensively.

Darcy Tucker had a crazy junior career in comparison to the player he became in the NHL. Lots of scouts glamoured him back in the day. Funny how things turn out.

[HighLifeMan]

You seem very selective in what you are quoting here..

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

https://lastwordonsports.com/hockey/...samuel-honzek/

Meanwhile, if he learns how to use his size better in terms of being more physical, and continues building his smart possession-based offence and effective defence, he projects well as a third-line forward in the future.

You seemed to miss;
"Doing so could make him a top-six guy or even a top-line player."

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

https://thewincolumn.ca/2023/06/04/s...draft-profile/
Samuel Honzek is a solid prospect who should play NHL games in at least a middle-six role.

You omitted;
"With his size, skating and potential raw skills finding their stride, he has the makings of a future top-six winger"

So really - you listed one report that limited his upside to that of a middle six player. A top six projection includes the possibility of him becoming a top line forward.

[Aarongavey]

I think I am far from a Flames fartcatcher but I think they have a real 1st line prospect in Honzek. Outscored on a PPG basis (with the exception of Bedard and Benson) the other WHL forwards taken ahead of him (Danielson, Yager). So within his own league he was a bigger offensive threat than those guys. He was much better than either of those guys at 5 on 5 scoring. And he did it in his first year of hockey in North America, which I think is also a factor to be considered.

If he is healthy this year I expect him to get 40+ goals and 90+ points in about 63 games (as I am assuming he will be at the World Juniors). In the dub numbers like those will easily place him in the top 10 in the league in both categories.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by flambers

He was drafted 11th overall, by the Stars

Scoring 111 points in 1994-1995.

Guessing the scouting report had him as a 1st or 2nd line forward?

I lived in Kamloops those years and maybe missed 6 games between 91 and 96.in his draft season he was a third line player with little to no PP time on a really stacked Blazers team with a revolving door of linemates. Had 33 goals and 71 points in 72 games. He did have a really good Memorial cup as the Blazers had beefed up their depth which gave him some better guys to play with. It was the next year when he got top line time where he had 63 goals and 136 points. In his draft year going at 11 was maybe a bit of a reach because teams had not seen Iginla play enough in better situations to confidently know what he was. Turns out Dallas had been smart enough to project what he could be in a larger role.

Shane Doan had way more hype around him from his debut as a Blazer, and as a third year player in a larger role was a better known commodity on draft day. But by the second year I think someone who had seen both players everyday might have figured out after that given the age difference, Iginla could be the better player. By the of his age 17 season he wss as strong as Doan, a better skater, and superior shot.

So I always reflect on that as it shows that you really need to use where the player was to where he is, and have good trusting relationships with people like coaches who see these guys everyday when evaluating players. Trying to draft 18 year olds...many of them who were 17 in the season they're being evaluated is really difficult.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I think I am far from a Flames fartcatcher but I think they have a real 1st line prospect in Honzek. Outscored on a PPG basis (with the exception of Bedard and Benson) the other WHL forwards taken ahead of him (Danielson, Yager). So within his own league he was a bigger offensive threat than those guys. He was much better than either of those guys at 5 on 5 scoring. And he did it in his first year of hockey in North America, which I think is also a factor to be considered.

If he is healthy this year I expect him to get 40+ goals and 90+ points in about 63 games (as I am assuming he will be at the World Juniors). In the dub numbers like those will easily place him in the top 10 in the league in both categories.

But many players taken after him had much better NHLes, including some WHLers. Cristall comes to mind. Barlow, Musty, Perreault, etc. better as well. Perrault in particular was miles ahead in that category.

Even with your projections for Honzek, he'd still have worse production than Perrault and Cristall did this past year.

At the end of the day, I didn't like the Honzek pick because other players had first line potential. Some of them, based on stats, were even probably first line players.
If Hozek is a top 6 or middle 6 player, then that's barely worth a 16th OA pick in a strong draft.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I think I am far from a Flames fartcatcher but I think they have a real 1st line prospect in Honzek. Outscored on a PPG basis (with the exception of Bedard and Benson) the other WHL forwards taken ahead of him (Danielson, Yager). So within his own league he was a bigger offensive threat than those guys. He was much better than either of those guys at 5 on 5 scoring. And he did it in his first year of hockey in North America, which I think is also a factor to be considered.

If he is healthy this year I expect him to get 40+ goals and 90+ points in about 63 games (as I am assuming he will be at the World Juniors). In the dub numbers like those will easily place him in the top 10 in the league in both categories.

Yup, if he’s healthy, I’m kind of expecting him to explode.

[Ashes]

I think the attributes that are most exciting about Honzek are his size, ability to protect the puck, and his booming shot. If he continues to fill out his frame and doesn't play timid, I think he's going to be a great player for us.

Also with all the talk of top line vs. middle 6 - I feel like Dube/Kadri/Mangiapane/Pelletier could all be considered strong 2nd line players, so even IF Honzek doesn't achieve 1st line status, it bolsters the "middle 6" which is important come playoffs

In a perfect world though, he'll hit his full potential and mesh well with Huberdeau or Kadri and put up 30-40 goals in his prime. Time will tell!

I hope he takes Iggy's advice to heart and we see him shooting a ton this upcoming season in Vancouver. If he lights up the WHL could we see him called up to the Wranglers for Playoffs?

[GioforPM]

Outside from, say, top 5-8 guys, I'd imagine most first round forwards are projected to be middle six by the majority of analysts.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

But many players taken after him had much better NHLes, including some WHLers. Cristall comes to mind. Barlow, Musty, Perreault, etc. better as well. Perrault in particular was miles ahead in that category.

Even with your projections for Honzek, he'd still have worse production than Perrault and Cristall did this past year.

At the end of the day, I didn't like the Honzek pick because other players had first line potential. Some of them, based on stats, were even probably first line players.
If Hozek is a top 6 or middle 6 player, then that's barely worth a 16th OA pick in a strong draft.

Top six = potential first line.