Hockey Canada, CHL settle lawsuit over alleged sexual assault involving WJ players

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by mile

Bean, Hart, Point, Clague, Kyrou, Raddysh gave very similar sounding statements (did not engage in wrongdoing, co-operated with police, false statements constituting defamation) too. I wouldn't read too much into that

Well there are at least 6 guys who engaged in wrongdoing, so to be one of the 7 or 8 guys with 'weak' statements does not bode well from an odds standpoint.

And Point wasn't on the team...

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

In fairness people have been accused. That is what was settled. No one has been accused publicly to protect the victim.


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Not sure it has anything to do with protecting the victim at this point...knowing any/all of the 6 doesn't shine any more light on the complainants identity...

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Well there are at least 6 guys who engaged in wrongdoing, so to be one of the 7 or 8 guys with 'weak' statements does not bode well from an odds standpoint.

And Point wasn't on the team...




Not sure it has anything to do with protecting the victim at this point...knowing any/all of the 6 doesn't shine any more light on the complainants identity...

Point was the backup goalie.

[the-rasta-masta]

I was also worried that Dube's agent's statement was pretty vague. But if I remember correctly, that same agent represented a few of the players on that WJC team. So perhaps a blanket statement for all of them was the best approach as he might have had some involved and some not, and different statements for each player would reveal that right away. Safer just to put out the same statement for all he represented.

With that said, if Conroy is talking about extensions with Dube's agent and releasing that information publicly we probably have our answer on Dube's involvement right there.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I read an article some time ago about all this and possible ramifications...but i cant find it now.

It may have just been the reporter/writer spin on things but it was suggested that because none of those involved were working in the NHL at the time, that anti-trust issues were part of the equation (at least state side) and the league could not "ban" them from playing in the NHL.

At least that was the gist of it.

Also, and it cant be said enough, no one has been convicted of anything at this point...hell no one has even been accused directly/by name even if its fairly easy to infer who is and is not involved.

Nobody has tested it in court to this point, but it'll be interesting to see how what is happening with Mitchell Miller ends up challenging this (or not challenging it).

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Nobody has tested it in court to this point, but it'll be interesting to see how what is happening with Mitchell Miller ends up challenging this (or not challenging it).

The league has done nothing to Mitchell Miller have they? Boston is still paying him his contract. The league let him be drafted and then signed by Boston. Not sure what case he'd have.

[CMPunk]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The league has done nothing to Mitchell Miller have they? Boston is still paying him his contract. The league let him be drafted and then signed by Boston. Not sure what case he'd have.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/06/sport...ung%20teenager.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

I was also worried that Dube's agent's statement was pretty vague. But if I remember correctly, that same agent represented a few of the players on that WJC team. So perhaps a blanket statement for all of them was the best approach as he might have had some involved and some not, and different statements for each player would reveal that right away. Safer just to put out the same statement for all he represented.

With that said, if Conroy is talking about extensions with Dube's agent and releasing that information publicly we probably have our answer on Dube's involvement right there.

There was an agent who repped a bunch of them but it wasn't Dube's.

FWIW I've heard a couple names (obviously unconfirmed and I'm not willing to go further) but Dube's wasn't one I heard.

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by CMPunk

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/06/sport...ung%20teenager.

According to CapFriendly, Miller's still under contract with the Bruins.


https://www.capfriendly.com/players/mitchell-miller

[Royle9]

The club this happened at had a whole bunch of pictures of the players and a group of ladies on their Facebook originally. They eventually took them down (legal reasons likely) but you could see which players were at least at the club that night.

Don’t know who all went home together but most of them were definitely sauced up.
I won’t name names but I’d imagine these players lawyers have these pictures on hand.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1679500580790607872

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1679500580790607872

So wait for the police to lay charges? Didn’t really think of the defamation angle.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bonded

So wait for the police to lay charges? Didn’t really think of the defamation angle.

If police lay charges, I doubt any defamation suit gets files, or at least pursued.

Cries of defamation is often cried by the guilty as a way of sounding innocent.

But certainly not saying that is the case here.

But I would think that those crying "defamation" should wait until they hear what is being said before making such a claim. They most be pretty sure that someone is naming them.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If police lay charges, I doubt any defamation suit gets files, or at least pursued.

Cries of defamation is often cried by the guilty as a way of sounding innocent.

But certainly not saying that is the case here.

But I would think that those crying "defamation" should wait until they hear what is being said before making such a claim. They most be pretty sure that someone is naming them.

Oh for sure. I just don't see the NHL front running the police charges if there is a valid angle for a defamation lawsuit.
It is interesting because if the NHL suspends players who were present then it is basically known they found them guilty of enough wrong doing to act but if they leave it publicly as suspended for failure to meet terms in the player contract without stating why then is there really any merit to a defamation case.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Bonded

So wait for the police to lay charges? Didn’t really think of the defamation angle.

99% of the time defamation threats are empty; you have to prove that the statements are false, which is probably gonna be tough in this case without an iron-clad alibi.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

99% of the time defamation threats are empty; you have to prove that the statements are false, which is probably gonna be tough in this case without an iron-clad alibi.

Actually once it’s shown that statements are defamatory, the burden is on the defendant to prove the statements are true.

That’s because it is often literally impossible to prove a defamatory statement as false.

[Toonage]

For those concerned about Dube, earlier this week Conroy was talking about starting extension talks with Dillon's agent. Doesn't sound like a GM bracing for anything here.

[FlamesAddiction]

I know we shouldn't speculate, but I will anyway. I wonder if this is why Comtois was not qualified and is still unsigned. Not that I am saying he is guilty of anything, but if teams know a bomb is about to drop, it would make sense to wait and make sure he is in the clear first.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I know we shouldn't speculate, but I will anyway. I wonder if this is why Comtois was not qualified and is still unsigned. Not that I am saying he is guilty of anything, but if teams know a bomb is about to drop, it would make sense to wait and make sure he is in the clear first.

It's kind of odd that some of the players who were not there for sure: Makar, Kyrou, Thomas, are all at the top of that class as far as NHL performance goes, whereas some who have had clouds have struggled.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bonded

So wait for the police to lay charges? Didn’t really think of the defamation angle.

The defamation case would be fantastic. League suspends them for violating the morality clause. On the face of it, a simple statement like that would not seem to be defamatory. Lawsuit happens and somehow that statement is determined to pass the three requirements necessary for deformation. The NHL then uses the defence of airing out all the dirty laundry that led to the decision to invoke the morality clause.

Probably have potentially a number of defences, truth, responsible communication maybe even fair comment. Would be a fascinating legal case but to me it seems like just a reason to explain slow rolling any consequences.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I'm just glad these pukes aren't getting off scott free.

Even if Dube is one of them.

Can't brush #### like that under the rug. It's time to snuff out the repulsive side of junior hockey culture and make an example of it for future generations to consider before they fall down a similar path.