2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Some interesting UFA's, for s**ts and giggles:

-Denis Gurianov: Not sure if he even has the desire to play in the NHL at this point, but is he capable of turning it around? He's 26, has size, skates well, and plays a nice power-forward game when he's on.

-RHC Oskar Sundqvist: Ok, he's older at 29 years old, but he's 6'3",210lb two-way player with a grinding, physical game.

-LW Danton Heinen: 27 years old, but he's an all-purpose player with excellent skating and some offensive touch.

-RW/LW Noah Gregor: He was rumoured to be coming to Calgary from the Sharks last season. 24 years-old, 6'0",185lbs. Gregor is an Alberta-boy, and his biggest asset might be his speed. He was a very productive player in junior, but he's still trying to put it all together in the big leagues. He's got good offensive instincts, and his defensive game is coming along- I've read a few articles over the course of his career to date that showed advanced stats that suggest that there's much more lurking under the surface offensively. Gregor plays physically, and is not afraid of going to the greasy areas of the ice.

-LHC Jesper Boqvist: Drafted in the second-round of 2017 (36th overall) by Jersey, and has been sqeezed out by all the talent there. He's 24 years old, 6'0" tall, and has smarts and speed. They may have given up on him too quick.

Really like all these options, especially Boqvist!
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Was hoping if we were able to deal some assets (obviously hasn't happened) these would be a few of the lads to target.

[Mitch]

Just a random thought but I wonder if the flames consider options to move Mangiapane at some point this season? There's just too many LW's in the pipeline and IIRC he will be a UFA after 24/25?

He's been pretty good pals with guys on the flames that have left for free agency in recent years (Gaudreau, Lucic) which makes me wonder if he does the same.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Mitch

Just a random thought but I wonder if the flames consider options to move Mangiapane at some point this season? There's just too many LW's in the pipeline and IIRC he will be a UFA after 24/25?

He's been pretty good pals with guys on the flames that have left for free agency in recent years (Gaudreau, Lucic) which makes me wonder if he does the same.

He's going to have to produce better before anyone will trade for him.

But yes, he's most likely to get traded before his contract expires given the prospect depth on LW. Unless he turns into a superstar.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by 868904

He's going to have to produce better before anyone will trade for him.

But yes, he's most likely to get traded before his contract expires given the prospect depth on LW. Unless he turns into a superstar.

If ever we trade for Nylander (or a comparables RW) I fully expect to see him included.

Other teams likely view him as a break out potential player and we need more "true firepower" from the right side. Both Dube and Pelletier can fill his role just fine and combined do not carry the same cap hit.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The percentage of cap thread is not a blueprint to be followed. Reality is nothing like a spreadsheet where everyone slots in where they should, for the amount they should.

Players progress and regress. And their pay tracks along with that. You either pay guys what they're worth, or you lose them. And constantly losing guys, because you have some meaningless formula that you are trying to track, is no way to run a franchise.

Yes, players progress and regress, but it's the GM's job to model that over the life of the contract. Detroit just locked up DeBrincat for a competitive salary and the prime career years only.

If you have a team of fairly paid players, they'll be league average. You need to underpay as many as possible so you have surplus money for more talent.

[pokerNhockey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The percentage of cap thread is not a blueprint to be followed. Reality is nothing like a spreadsheet where everyone slots in where they should, for the amount they should.

Players progress and regress. And their pay tracks along with that. You either pay guys what they're worth, or you lose them. And constantly losing guys, because you have some meaningless formula that you are trying to track, is no way to run a franchise.

I look at it as developing a base plan which you then would reference in the real world for how you want to build a team. There will be give and take based on who is actually available to you, but if you are trying to construct a team you should have a model for how you want to construct it, and see the effects of the decisions you are making.


Edit: Ideally, you want to trade the guys while they are RFA's and recoup assets if the market is strong enough and you need to make trade-offs to construct a competitive team rather then lose them. It might result in lower immediate results, but it should result in better long term results. Alternatively, if you think its a year to go for it, you could view them as trades for the returns you didn't get.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Mitch

Just a random thought but I wonder if the flames consider options to move Mangiapane at some point this season? There's just too many LW's in the pipeline and IIRC he will be a UFA after 24/25?

He's been pretty good pals with guys on the flames that have left for free agency in recent years (Gaudreau, Lucic) which makes me wonder if he does the same.

We won't get a big haul for him, but with Coronato and Pelletier pushing for spots on the team, I think some smaller guys need to be shipped out (I know, I keep harping on the same stuff), or we're going to be ragdolled every night. Between Mangiapane, Dube, Coronato, and Pelts- Mang is the one I would see as the most expendable. I can't see it being possible, but I would love it if Conny could come up with a package or two to land one or two of Crouse, Laughton, Farabee (not big, but tough and mean), Allison, M. Foligno, Jenner, or Frederic. I know, wishful thinking.

I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in somebody like Nick Delauriers either. He's not like Looch, he'll fight every night if he has to.

[butterfly]

Also, the Percentage of Cap thread is one person's idea for how they'd do it. And the more you try to criticize it, the more you realize how difficult it is to put $1 dollar somewhere and have to take it away from somewhere else.

It kind of underscores how important it is to have underpaid players and ELC players. Which, with respect to underpaid players, the Flames did have with Lindholm and Hanifin for a while, but sadly couldn't take advantage of it.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

If ever we trade for Nylander (or a comparables RW) I fully expect to see him included.

Other teams likely view him as a break out potential player and we need more "true firepower" from the right side. Both Dube and Pelletier can fill his role just fine and combined do not carry the same cap hit.

At 5.8 million I don't think teams are lining up to add Mangiapane, especially the Leafs who are always pressed for cap space.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Hackey

At 5.8 million I don't think teams are lining up to add Mangiapane, especially the Leafs who are always pressed for cap space.

I think the Leafs would be fine with Mangiapane. 5.8 for an additional year aligns with the expiration of Tavares and Marner. With Nylander gone they would absolutely need a guy like Mangiapane to at least pot 75% of the goals Nylander did.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Hackey

At 5.8 million I don't think teams are lining up to add Mangiapane, especially the Leafs who are always pressed for cap space.

Teams that are invested in advanced stats may see value in Mangiapane but that contract is on the high side for a streaky offensive player that goes hot and ice cold without much inbetween. The only way to get anything of value in return is likely by trading with a team that has salary cap flexibility.

[devo22]

If I'm the Leafs, I'd much rather try for Dube than Mangiapane in any deal for Nylander ... he's still cheap in 23-24 and still has untapped potential. Doubt the Flames would be eager to include him, but I wouldn't be surprised if Tre tried.

[Monahammer]

That's funny, i'd much rather give up on Dubes than Mangoes.

Mangi was really unlucky last season, I think he'll pop back up this coming one. Dube looks more like a plateau to me.

[kyuss275]

Eklund saying flames and sabres working on major trade. Yes I know it’s Eklund.

[Sandman]

Buffalo has some great pieces that I would love to aquire, but I can’t see them parting with those pieces.

[Bonded]

Eklund also says the Devils are looking at Campbell lol.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Buffalo has some great pieces that I would love to aquire, but I can’t see them parting with those pieces.

So many guys I’d be pumped to add.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Eklund also says the Devils are looking at Campbell lol.

Yeah, they looked at him and vomited

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Eklund also says the Devils are looking at Campbell lol.

Campbell at 2.5 million for a 7th rounder could make sense for Jersey. Frees the Oilers of 2.5 million in cap space.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Buffalo has some great pieces that I would love to aquire, but I can’t see them parting with those pieces.

I think at some point you have to utilize your deep prospect pool and go for actual players. They have the space to do so too. They are the only team with a full roster size and more than 5m cap space. I think Lidnholm or Hanifin for a top prospect plus a high pick is in the works. And, if Owen Power or Dahlin remain as an RD since both play both sides (at least according to capfriendly), then either Hanifin as the #3 or Lindholm (if extended as the 1C until Cozens bumps him) would be a great move.

I wish it could have been done at the draft with 13th OA, but you can't fault them for keeping their pick after a faller like Benson fell right into their laps.