Hockey Canada, CHL settle lawsuit over alleged sexual assault involving WJ players

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bonded

https://twitter.com/user/status/1678463976093655040


Wonder if there will be some surprises

Should be a year minimum if you were in the room in my opinion. Really send a message on this one is important for the game.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Should be a year minimum if you were in the room in my opinion. Really send a message on this one is important for the game.

One year is laughable IMO.

Lifetime ban is the only message to send about this nonsense. Please leave. GTFO. The game will not miss you. Players and HC officials alike.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Coach

One year is laughable IMO.

Lifetime ban is the only message to send about this nonsense. Please leave. GTFO. The game will not miss you. Players and HC officials alike.

The adult who was plying the victim with alcohol should go to jail.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Bob Nicholson still has a job somehow the Oilers are a disgrace.

[bluejays]

I don’t think anyone would agree to this behaviour but what I do think is there has to be a medium for what’s a good punishment. Lifetime bans is excessive. 40 games for active players, lifetime ban for those not in the sport but want to work for Hockey Canada seems about right though, for those who were in the room. Those actively participating, give them a year. Scum. The old guy really should have the police scaring the crap out of him through some charges at least. What a guy.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I don’t think anyone would agree to this behaviour but what I do think is there has to be a medium for what’s a good punishment. Lifetime bans is excessive. 40 games for active players, lifetime ban for those not in the sport but want to work for Hockey Canada seems about right though, for those who were in the room. Those actively participating, give them a year. Scum. The old guy really should have the police scaring the crap out of him through some charges at least. What a guy.

Why would players get less than those who are not players but want to work in the game? That does not seem to make sense.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I don’t think anyone would agree to this behaviour but what I do think is there has to be a medium for what’s a good punishment. Lifetime bans is excessive. 40 games for active players, lifetime ban for those not in the sport but want to work for Hockey Canada seems about right though, for those who were in the room. Those actively participating, give them a year. Scum. The old guy really should have the police scaring the crap out of him through some charges at least. What a guy.

Originally Posted by Coach

One year is laughable IMO.

Lifetime ban is the only message to send about this nonsense. Please leave. GTFO. The game will not miss you. Players and HC officials alike.

I would be fine with a lifetime ban as well for players who were involved. I just figured one year minimum. The NHL should take a stands, lots of other guys who could take their place in the NHL.

[MoneyGuy]

I think a lifetime ban is excessive. The punishment needs to be stiff (no pun intended) but my concern would be what happens if the offenders include star players? The right thing is the right thing, regardless of the player(s).

[Reggie Dunlop]

Bettman won't ban anyone. Suspensions maybe, but not banned for life.

[Derek Sutton]

A lifetime ban from Hockey Canada would be acceptable. I don’t expect anything from the NHL and am torn if there even should be.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Why would players get less than those who are not players but want to work in the game? That does not seem to make sense.

Meant
Active players involved directly should get a year
In the room but not participating six months (for not stopping it)
Either of the above but no longer in the game - lifetime ban from hockey Canada management

[Coach]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Meant
Active players involved directly should get a year
In the room but not participating six months (for not stopping it)
Either of the above but no longer in the game - lifetime ban from hockey Canada management

This doesn't answer why the actual perpetrators of the assault should receive a (substantially) lighter punishment than those not directly involved?


Why do we care about the hockey careers of these people? Some people's hockey careers have ended because of a bunk knee, or because they missed a pass one time. These plugs are lucky not to be going to jail. Why do they need to be back tainting the game with the stink of this crap? Just get gone.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Coach

This doesn't answer why the actual perpetrators of the assault should receive a (substantially) lighter punishment than those not directly involved?


Why do we care about the hockey careers of these people? Some people's hockey careers have ended because of a bunk knee, or because they missed a pass one time. These plugs are lucky not to be going to jail. Why do they need to be back tainting the game with the stink of this crap? Just get gone.

The average person has 4 or 5 different careers. I am sure there are other jobs guys can do it they get a lifetime suspension.

[bagofpucks]

Can someone remind me where we’re at in the legal process with all this? And will the Hockey Canada investigation possibly open that back up again?

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

A lifetime ban from Hockey Canada would be acceptable. I don’t expect anything from the NHL and am torn if there even should be.

I think the NHL has a moral obligation to decide which types of individuals they want representing their brand.

So while I would agree that this falls outside their parameters with regards to imposing punishments, I disagree that they don’t have any responsibility here. They have a responsibility to protect their own image here.

Any guilty parties should have their contracts terminated immediately. Not only is it the right thing to do morally, it’s also the right thing to do from a business perspective. This isn’t a particularly divisive issue.

[KelVarnsen]

Playing in the NHL is a privilege. Sexual assault is a crime. Any and every player that commits sexual assault should be banned for life.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Playing in the NHL is a privilege. Sexual assault is a crime. Any and every player that commits sexual assault should be banned for life.

The Oilers will be really angry about their stream of low on morals players being cut off.

[curves2000]

I think it's important to see how the NHL is handling the Joel Quenneville, Stan Bowman, Bill Peters situation etc as a barometer to how it will be dealt with at the player level. Even Mike Babcock who is back in the league after some rumored nasty methods and contact with players is back coaching after getting his full salary.

Lifetime bans , long term suspensions of 1 year etc, contract terminations and things like that I don't see happening for a large amount of players.

If one or more of the players is charged with sexual assault or a crime and then has to go through the legal process and is found guilty, that's an example that could warrant something like a 1 year suspension, lifetime Hockey Canada ban etc.

Simply being in the room, knowing something but not reporting it, taunting or other very crude behavior is a different matter from a legal perspective. The punishments will vary depending on what the new investigation by the London, Ontario police also reveals

This is a very messy and really bad looking situation for a lot of people and if a crime has been committed and charges are laid, that's an important distinction. I am not condoning the behavior or anything. I am not, so hopefully the usual suspects don't pile on.

Just because Joe Public would like to see extreme punishment and millions in contracts voided for alleged offenses 5 years ago, doesn't mean it will happen because of legal risk back to the NHL and their respective teams.

Perhaps an employment lawyer may chime in with a better explanation but unless the player is in violation of their contract, would teams have grounds for termination of the contract for something that MAY have happened prior? (no charges laid) The NHLPA and NHL may need to then negotiate a settlement but what happens after? If the player is NHL caliber and is thus being prevented from gaining employment in the NHL afterwards due to backlash, would they be entitled to compensation? Would that count as employment discrimination?

What if specific teams knew of specific offenses about a player, choose to withhold that information, traded the player while keeping things quite, would they be on the hook for compensation of a contract?

Being fired with cause as an employee is a lot more rare than people think. Even in the workplace if a crime may have been committed by the employee like theft, harassment, rules/ regulations of an industry being broken etc, then employers will pay out severance, offer a basic letter of employment and be done with it.

As I said previously, I am not condoning sexual assault or anything but looking at where this might get a lot messier and complicated than people think.

Regardless, I do feel awful for the victim and I hope she is getting support and is able to move on in her life after all this comes out. It won't be easy and this will be highly public with a lot still to come out.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Playing in the NHL is a privilege. Sexual assault is a crime. Any and every player that commits sexual assault should be banned for life.

Totally agree, I don't know the full story but as far as I know there hasn't been any sexual assault charges yet, I'm not willing to support a ban on a bunch of players if the cops don't think there's a case.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Playing in the NHL is a privilege. Sexual assault is a crime. Any and every player that commits sexual assault should be banned for life.

I think at least one or two fools need to go to jail.

"Banned for life from the NHL?"

So what?

Its a CRIME. Bake 'em away Toys!