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fotze2 · 03-31-2023, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

How many minorities can afford to put their kids through hockey and how many want to?

Look at a typical St. Georges lineup and its almost always 50% Asian/Indian background.

St. Georges is the most expensive (by far) hockey sports school in the CSSHL.

It is definitely changing.

fotze2 · 03-31-2023, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dubc80

The other big change I noticed in minor hockey is the rise of all these private hockey schools, academies, etc for the elite.

Un-sanctioned private leagues in the spring, summer.... travelling all-star teams that play in these "showcases". It's insane. Utterly insane.

I'd like to see stats on NHL draft picks.

I bet a vast majority of them come from these programs, and do not come from conventional minor hockey.

I always laugh when they interview players during Heritage Classics, and Winter Classics and ask them about the feeling about playing outside and the nostalgia.
I bet modern day NHL players spent a grand total of 0 hours playing outdoors.

Who needs to shovel off a crappy pond and get frostbite when you get prime time ice every day after school?

You are definitely correct. When the president of Hockey Calgary sends his kid to sports school you know something is up.

The team Iginla coached this year (U15 Prep Rink Kelowna) costs ~ $40k per year.

St. Georges is ~$80k.

Look at the last WHL Draft, probably 75% chosen are sport schools. Nine of the top ten are CSSHL.

https://whl.ca/draft

Its all a pyramid scheme though, the top 3 kids on every team are funded by the rest of the team's parents. I bet Bedard hasn't had to pay a cent for hockey in the past 5 years and probably longer.

Royle9 · 03-31-2023, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fotze2

You are definitely correct. When the president of Hockey Calgary sends his kid to sports school you know something is up.

The team Iginla coached this year (U15 Prep Rink Kelowna) costs ~ $40k per year.

St. Georges is ~$80k.

Look at the last WHL Draft, probably 75% chosen are sport schools. Nine of the top ten are CSSHL.

https://whl.ca/draft

Its all a pyramid scheme though, the top 3 kids on every team are funded by the rest of the team's parents. I bet Bedard hasn't had to pay a cent for hockey in the past 5 years and probably longer.

Yikes, you hope it’s not true but sadly it probably is.

corporatejay · 03-31-2023, 04:57 PM

All these criticisms are the same of all elite sport. Basketball, swimming, golf, tennis etc.. it's all super expensive. The only one where high costs don't seem to factor as much into success is football.

Knut · 04-01-2023, 04:21 AM

I made the decision with my kids long ago that we would middle around in mid divisions of minor hockey. Cap spending at about 2500 per kid per year and only commit to one out of town tournament per kid per season. We would much rather travel and see the world, invest in music lessons and science classes instead of 20k per kid per year for camps, skill sessions, training etc.

It also allows me to coach the kids as I think that is a core memory for them. I do all the coaching qualifications and work hard to formulate practice plans but try and make it fun. The reality is that more parents need to remember hockey is for fun, even minor hockey.

Seeing coaches sit kids for poor play in tier 5 makes me sick.

I want my teams to be about gaining valuable skating and hockey skills while having fun and hopefully winning a bunch of games.

My kids will be able to play rec hockey in University, meet some friends and will have a good knowledge of the game and the skills involved. They will also be able to learn about winning, losing with grace annd dignity, hard work and team work.

Azure · 04-04-2023, 07:49 AM

I mean, is it even surprising anymore?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1642940260941283339

Azure · 04-04-2023, 07:51 AM

https://twitter.com/user/status/1642951904203251721

https://twitter.com/user/status/1642950547996041216

Maybe still a little more common than you think Marc, but good on you for speaking out. Too bad the rest of your TSN buddies are mum about it all.

powderjunkie · 04-04-2023, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure

https://twitter.com/user/status/1642951904203251721

https://twitter.com/user/status/1642950547996041216

Maybe still a little more common than you think Marc, but good on you for speaking out. Too bad the rest of your TSN buddies are mum about it all.

Again, this complaint makes no sense. Last time I checked Rick Westhead works for TSN.

TSN and similar networks have a complicated relationship with the sports/leagues that they cover. People tune into sports to get away from the horrors of everyday life. If you expect these networks to invest tons of resources against their own best interests, you should probably just get over your disappointment.

PepsiFree · 04-04-2023, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Again, this complaint makes no sense. Last time I checked Rick Westhead works for TSN.

So does Methot.

Quoting two people who work for TSN and are talking about an issue and then criticizing TSN for not talking about an issue is absurd lol.

GioforPM · 04-04-2023, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

So does Methot.

Quoting two people who work for TSN and are talking about an issue and then criticizing TSN for not talking about an issue is absurd lol.

And hardly any of the actual reporters are ex-hockey players or otherwise insiders in the junior scene, at least at that depth. and if one reporter has the story others aren't going to climb over him, either.

This list (which doesn't have Methot) only has Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan as far as I can see who were ex-players.

Eric Vail · 04-04-2023, 10:26 AM

Maybe shade could be thrown at Sportsnet for ignoring this issue. TSN is the one who has exposed it.

FlamesAddiction · 04-04-2023, 10:35 AM

I think what Methot was describing is probably indicative of the cycle of abuse. Those 19 and 20 year olds doing it to the younger kids, probably experienced the same thing when they were the younger kids. It's inexcusable no matter what, but it shows how abuse is normalized in some of these organizations.

I remember in grade 8, we went on a school trip and one of the kids that I was grouped with tried to coerce another kid to do something disgusting. I won't get into the details, but it is along the same lines of the stuff you hear about. Myself and another kid were like, wtf why, and the kid said that they did it on his hockey team. That is when we were 13. That kid ended up playing in the OHL.

GioforPM · 04-04-2023, 11:49 AM

way back when Graham James stuff came to light, guys who I knew who played junior said I wouldn't believe the hazing stuff that happened. Mostly dick related for some reason.

Bonded · 07-10-2023, 03:01 PM

https://twitter.com/user/status/1678463976093655040

Wonder if there will be some surprises

Snuffleupagus · 07-10-2023, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

https://twitter.com/user/status/1678463976093655040

Wonder if there will be some surprises

Was this Dube this afternoon?

FlamesAddiction · 07-10-2023, 03:13 PM

Any idea when their findings are going to be released?

topfiverecords · 07-10-2023, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Was this Dube this afternoon?

I'm 100% sure he's training yes.

Lanny'sDaMan · 07-10-2023, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

I'm 100% sure he's training yes.

Paulie Walnuts · 07-10-2023, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

I'm 100% sure he's training yes.

They are already talking contract extension with him, I have feeling he is not involved in this.

topfiverecords · 07-10-2023, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

I'm guessing for hockey, not for the band.