[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Is this guy legit?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1677759054247251968

https://twitter.com/user/status/1677759056491220992

https://twitter.com/user/status/1677759058143772672

https://twitter.com/user/status/1677764197193744384

It does fall in line with what I said before, Lindholm is taking his time to see what moves Conroy makes. I think Backlund is in the same waiting pattern. Both want to see where the direction of the team is heading this year. I think the Flames are willing to move Backlund regardless if the right offer comes. You have to look at it from Lindholm's point of view, he wants to stay providing the team is looking to try and compete and the only thing that has happened is his top winger was dealt. I do think the Flames and Leafs are working on something pretty big but both teams are walking at the edge of the cap so it's tough, if you have to bring in a 3rd team to eat some salary it becomes even more complex. These things take time, people just have to be patient. Plenty of time.

[Ryan Coke]

I can’t say I’m that surprised by how it ended with Sutter. He’s always been a bit of an arrogant cranky prick, he’s just a loveable arrogant cranky prick when the team is winning. You just hope he is supportive to the players in private, even if we didn’t really see it.

It certainly wouldn’t surprise me if his abrasive style contributed to Johnny and Matt leaving.

[bigrangy]

I’d be more happy with Lindholm at 10.5x6 than an 8.5x8 honestly

Term is the killer here.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I’d be more happy with Lindholm at 10.5x6 than an 8.5x8 honestly

Term is the killer here.

No way, I’d rather buy the last couple years out and eat that extra cap when the cap has increased. Need to save every penny for the next couple years.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Man I know it isn’t all on Sutter but it sounds like he really made for a terrible working environment for players and staff
What an embarrassing end to a storied career

Something something die a hero, live long enough to become the villain

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by blender

There is only one player signed to an elite-level contract, and that's Huberdeau.
The team can afford another, and as long as Lindholm is in the 8-9 range I don't see the problem.

8 years is a long time, what happens in a few years when 2 or 3 other kids pop to stardom and our cap space is being held hostage by over 30 players with NMC's?, this is how we lost Tkachuk.

As much as I like Lindholm I just know while we still have Huberdeau and Kadri signed into their late 30's he's not a good fit for this team.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by mile

He called the Huska hire like a week before the hire and was right about term being the issue with Toffoli. I wouldn't discount anything he says

Yep, this guy seems pretty legit. Not a shot at our insiders as I enjoy wondering what's going on internally, but on CP it's been a lot of "I'm hearing, I'm hearing, I'm hearing, I'm hearing".

Which is fine in isolation, however it's weird when more minor signings and a big trade come to fruition and there isn't a peep on CP with multiple insiders. Still good to venture outside the site for inside info when we can, imo.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

8 years is a long time, what happens in a few years when 2 or 3 other kids pop to stardom and our cap space is being held hostage by over 30 players with NMC's?, this is how we lost Tkachuk.

As much as I like Lindholm I just know while we still have Huberdeau and Kadri signed into their late 30's he's not a good fit for this team.

Yup definitely.

I feel like a lot of people underestimate how long 8 years is. My unborn child is going to be in grade 2 when their contracts are finishing. If you have one guy 30+ guys for 8 years whatever, you can work around it.

It gets ALOT more difficult to work around 4 guys making big bucks well into their 30s.

I personally don't want to watch a core of Huberdeau, Lindhol, Kadri, and Weegar for 8 more ####ing years as they trend down.

I can guarantee that sometime over those 8 years it will bite us in the ass and hard.
We gotta ask is the juice worth the squeeze? For me, with this core, it's not. I see them currently as a perimeter playoff team not a true contender. That's not what you want to be when you're signing these types of contracts.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

8 years is a long time, what happens in a few years when 2 or 3 other kids pop to stardom and our cap space is being held hostage by over 30 players with NMC's?, this is how we lost Tkachuk.

As much as I like Lindholm I just know while we still have Huberdeau and Kadri signed into their late 30's he's not a good fit for this team.

Who though?

Pelletier
Wolf
Ruzicka
Dube

These guys are RFAs next year. What kind of year will they need to have to break the bank? Can’t imagine any will get huge money after next year. Dube likely gets the most and wolf could have a season too. But just don’t see more than $4 mil for either.

If these guys all play well enough to get $3 mil to $4 mil the Flames will be very good and probably have enough quality youth to let guys like backlund go. Maybe Mangiapane becomes expendable too

Lindholm is a first liner so he’s not killing us

Markstrom has 3 years left you can bridge wolf til his deal is up

Coronato is an RFA in 2 years same year as Mangiapane. How well would he have to play to get more than Mangiapane? I’d be does we are looking good

Honzek likely doesn’t play this year making him an RFA in 4 years. Coleman is up and the cap likely is much higher making signing him a bit easier as Lindholm deal don’t look as bad then

After 4 years Kadri is getting close to being done so a bridge for Honzek might work unless he’s elite. But if he’s elite. How good are the Flsmes?

Odds are not all our prospects will be stars. So I don’t see issues really. Enough will be coming up in the next 4 years to keep these guys

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Something something die a hero, live long enough to become the villain

And sometimes, you die the villain or you live long enough to see yourself become the hero.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Who though?

Pelletier
Wolf
Ruzicka
Dube

What about the other nine years he's not worth it??

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I’d be more happy with Lindholm at 10.5x6 than an 8.5x8 honestly

Term is the killer here.

8.5 will be 2nd line money in 6 years.

[Redrum]

dp

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Redrum

What about the other nine years?

There is only 3 guys on the first line. Only 3 on the 2nd line. When’s the last time a 3rd liner young kids who didn’t get 1st pp time play their way into a $7 mil contract

There is only so many spots for guys to put up numbers to get big money

Coronato slots in on the first line with Lindholm and Huberdeau and clicks and has big numbers and gets big money. Pelletier zary sharogonvich Honzek dube mangiapane would be playing 2nd and 3rd line roles. Only 1 or 2 guys really can play on the first and second line. Unless you push guys down if the kids are better. If that happens say bye to Dube Mangiapane backlund. Really do we have the prospects that all will get $6 mil or more? If we do this team is stacked

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Who though?

Pelletier
Wolf
Ruzicka
Dube

These guys are RFAs next year. What kind of year will they need to have to break the bank? Can’t imagine any will get huge money after next year. Dube likely gets the most and wolf could have a season too. But just don’t see more than $4 mil for either.

If these guys all play well enough to get $3 mil to $4 mil the Flames will be very good and probably have enough quality youth to let guys like backlund go. Maybe Mangiapane becomes expendable too

Lindholm is a first liner so he’s not killing us

Markstrom has 3 years left you can bridge wolf til his deal is up

Coronato is an RFA in 2 years same year as Mangiapane. How well would he have to play to get more than Mangiapane? I’d be does we are looking good

Honzek likely doesn’t play this year making him an RFA in 4 years. Coleman is up and the cap likely is much higher making signing him a bit easier as Lindholm deal don’t look as bad then

After 4 years Kadri is getting close to being done so a bridge for Honzek might work unless he’s elite. But if he’s elite. How good are the Flsmes?

Odds are not all our prospects will be stars. So I don’t see issues really. Enough will be coming up in the next 4 years to keep these guys

You talk like bridging works in todays NHL.

Tkachuk - hold my beer while I get my sandals

Point is, nobody knows how good Coronato, Honzek, Wolf or others will be in 3-4 years but if some pop you need the resources to lock them down long term so they don't walk before they reach their prime. This is especially true in small market Canada.

If you think Lindholm is going to age like fine wine then great, but I don't.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by traptor

Yup definitely.

I feel like a lot of people underestimate how long 8 years is. My unborn child is going to be in grade 2 when their contracts are finishing. If you have one guy 30+ guys for 8 years whatever, you can work around it.

It gets ALOT more difficult to work around 4 guys making big bucks well into their 30s.

I personally don't want to watch a core of Huberdeau, Lindhol, Kadri, and Weegar for 8 more ####ing years as they trend down.

I can guarantee that sometime over those 8 years it will bite us in the ass and hard.
We gotta ask is the juice worth the squeeze? For me, with this core, it's not. I see them currently as a perimeter playoff team not a true contender. That's not what you want to be when you're signing these types of contracts.

That's what bothers me about these scenarios. Us as fans know this is a bad idea given past experience on our team as well as other teams' experiences, but we keep going down the same road. To me it's one of two explanations:
1) Desperate to be liked by someone with skill
2) Laziness and lack of confidence that nobody else can be found or drafted to make the decision to get younger


Signing so many older guys to long term deals when they're not superstars is a recipe of disaster. We got a taste of that this year already, and most chalked it up to Sutter, but it exposed how bad an aging core can be in quickly shifting fast and skilled league. Instead the wrong identity has been chosen of 80s hockey and it's unlikely to work. So annoyed as a fan to see this line of thinking.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

You talk like bridging works in todays NHL.

Tkachuk - hold my beer while I get my sandals

Point is, nobody knows how good Coronato, Honzek, Wolf or others will be in 3-4 years but if some pop you need the resources to lock them down long term so they don't walk before they reach their prime. This is especially true in small market Canada.

If you think Lindholm is going to age like fine wine then great, but I don't.

Avoiding bridge deals was a huge key to TBL's b2b cups.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

There is only 3 guys on the first line. Only 3 on the 2nd line. When’s the last time a 3rd liner young kids who didn’t get 1st pp time play their way into a $7 mil contract

There is only so many spots for guys to put up numbers to get big money

Coronato slots in on the first line with Lindholm and Huberdeau and clicks and has big numbers and gets big money. Pelletier zary sharogonvich Honzek dube mangiapane would be playing 2nd and 3rd line roles. Only 1 or 2 guys really can play on the first and second line. Unless you push guys down if the kids are better. If that happens say bye to Dube Mangiapane backlund. Really do we have the prospects that all will get $6 mil or more? If we do this team is stacked

So he's going to be our #1C for nine more years?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Redrum

So he's going to be our #1C for nine more years?

Some have pointed out that $8.5 mil in 4 years is 2nd line money. Kadri has 6 years left so Lindholm needs to be 1st line for 6 years. It’s possible

It’s also possible the Flames need to rebuild at some point in the next 9 years. I’m ok with it now but now means 3 years of sucking. So what if we suck the last couple years of his deal? What’s the difference?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

You talk like bridging works in todays NHL.

Tkachuk - hold my beer while I get my sandals

Point is, nobody knows how good Coronato, Honzek, Wolf or others will be in 3-4 years but if some pop you need the resources to lock them down long term so they don't walk before they reach their prime. This is especially true in small market Canada.

If you think Lindholm is going to age like fine wine then great, but I don't.

Tkachuk is elite. Played first pp and 2nd line from day 1. Also played 1st line and 1st pp the last few years here. He was also top 5 rated in his draft. Who do we have that is Tkachuk?

If coronato got a 1st line 1st pp role. Who’s he playing with? Dube and Pelletier? Lol they all aren’t popping playing up and down the lineup. If they do we move guys. Once again if coronato plays first line and pops and gets paid his linemates are likely Huberdeau and Lindholm. Mangiapane and Kadri likely are on the 2nd line. Really you’re dreaming if you think everyone pops all at once. If they do look out we are a contender