Bigfoot - Sasquatch

[ripTDR]

Originally Posted by Locke

You're assuming that theres more than 1.

I guess through the years there would be?


Maybe why we haven't seen much lately is because the last one died out?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by troutman

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson–Gimlin_film

https://cdn.centerforinquiry.org/wp-...164653/p35.pdf

The Science Behind Bigfoot an Interview With Dr. Jeff Meldrum

Dr. Jeff Meldrum is a professor of anatomy and anthropology. He works at Idaho State University teaching classes like human anatomy and evolution. His special emphasis is on the study of bipedalism, the evolution of walking on two legs. Animals that are bipedal include great apes, humans and an as yet unconfirmed species, bigfoot.

Ever wonder what a sasquatch foot looks like? Meldrum says he has observed feet that are broader than a human foot, they are flatter, which makes sense since a creature of that size would not be able to have an arch, but still have some midfoot flexibility. They don’t have a thumb-like big toe like other apes but a big toe more like ours. Their toes are longer than ours and Meldrum says this is from gripping and navigating the irregular surfaces of mountains and forests.

He says the prints he studies are “elegantly” adapted for a large primate walking on two legs. He says through studying these feet he considers it is more incredible to say sasquatch doesn’t exist then to at least acknowledge the possibility that there might be something out there.

These feet could not, he said, be formed just by making an enlarged print of a human foot, carving it into wood and then strapping it onto a hiking boot as many people have suggested.

When talking to a colleague he remembers the person saying, “Well after all Jeff it’s just a story.” To that he says, “well stories that leave footprints, that shed hair, that void scat, that vocalize, that have been witnessed by intelligent, sober, experienced hunters and agency personal, it’s a lot more than just a story.”

Meldrum says science does not start with the identification of a body.

“Ok yes,” he said, “to conclusively demonstrate the existence of body, a type specimen, a piece that is diagnostic… science starts when you have a question.”

Based on everything Meldrum has observed and studies he says he does not believe in bigfoot, he is convinced, on the basis of the evidence, that bigfoot exists. He says any scientist should be amazed to discover that there is an ancient hominoid or hominin species still existing today. He points out the discovery of bones of a species of tiny humans now called the hobbit. “That made headlines,” he said, “well gee wouldn’t you think that the discovery of or the recognition of a large bipedal primate in North America in our own back yard would be headline news?”

He says an attitude he regularly comes across is “well they can’t exist so they don’t” he said. “Well what about looking at the evidence and then thinking ‘hmm, well how could we go about this question even more incisively? How could we get that conclusive evidence for or against its existence?”

https://www.byui.edu/radio/the-scien...r-jeff-meldrum

[Fuzz]

Scat? If they have Bigfoot poop could they to do a DNA test?

[Matata]

Bigfoot is such an odd entity, on one hand he has all the circumstantial evidence in the world: the Bigfoot Mythos is a global phenomenon that predates modern civilization, and there are tons of seemingly credible people that provide consistent descriptions of how they look and sound. However, there is not one scrap of evidence that Bigfoot exists: no hair, no poop, no video, nothing. I kind of like the Cryptid Theory, where Bigfoots are not what they seem and are actually tremendously advanced creatures when compared to ourselves.

Some other unexplainable phenomena are cattle mutilations and crop circles. These events are so prolific that you could not hold it down to a single group of people, and no one has ever successfully demonstrated how to make these. People have made crude approximations of crop circles, but the gap in quality between whats been demostrated. and whats been found cant be rationalized. These events also often happen on private land, where the perpetrators face a real risk of being shot and killed for their "prank" with no real upside for them.

[GGG]

Crop Circles are such a great example of the self healing nature of conspiracy theories.

[Fuzz]

I always love it when Matata says stuff that is only true if you ignore reality.

Many others have demonstrated how complex crop circles can be created.[59] Scientific American published an article by Matt Ridley,[38] who started making crop circles in northern England in 1991. He wrote about how easy it is to develop techniques using simple tools that can easily fool later observers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle

As to the no upside comment...

Ridley responded by noting that many cereologists make good livings from selling books and providing high-priced personal tours through crop fields, and he claimed that they have vested interests in rejecting what is by far the most likely explanation for the circles.

Always follow the money.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I always love it when Matata says stuff that is only true if you ignore reality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle

As to the no upside comment...

Always follow the money.

Im familiar with all that. Ive also seen crop circles where every bent branch of wheat was unbroken and woven together. Ive never seen a demonstration or heard an explanation of how that was accomplished.

[Fuzz]

Wow, ya, that's convincing. Perhaps humanity could benefit from this advanced alien technology, and society will be ever changed when we learn how to weave.

[PepsiFree]

I will only be convinced of their existence once I see proof that aliens know how to cross stitch.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Matata

Ive also seen crop circles where every bent branch of wheat was unbroken and woven together.

Can you link to this?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Matata

Im familiar with all that. Ive also seen crop circles where every bent branch of wheat was unbroken and woven together. Ive never seen a demonstration or heard an explanation of how that was accomplished.

How about discussing what the #### would be the point of doing that? Showing off wheat weaving ability?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

How about discussing what the #### would be the point of doing that? Showing off wheat weaving ability?

The cool thing about aliens is we can always say our logic and reasoning could be totally different from theirs, so we can never guess at why.

[Geraldsh]

“Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence “

Stumbled on that line in an unrelated article and thought it was applicable to our Sasquatch neighbours.

[1qqaaz]

Sadly, logging, hunting, and human development threaten what might possibly be Bigfoot’s habitat. There are only so many foggy and out of focus areas remaining. We have to do everything in our power to protect Bigfoots environment, if he exist. He is a crucial part of the North American ecosystem, unless he doesn’t exist.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

“Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence “

Stumbled on that line in an unrelated article and thought it was applicable to our Sasquatch neighbours.

Yup. Make up whatever you like. We’re good to go!

[troutman]

Meldrum has attracted media attention due to his interest in Bigfoot.[1][4][5][6] Meldrum believes that Bigfoot exists and his research on the topic has been criticized by some as pseudoscientific.[1][7][8] Meldrum authored Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science in 2006. The book was heavily criticized in a detailed review in the Skeptical Inquirer.[8] Anthropologist David J. Daegling commented that author was "unable or unwilling to distinguish good research from bad, science from pseudoscience" and the book failed to provide a thorough scientific analysis.[8] Matt Cartmill reviewed the book in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Meldrum

[Snuffleupagus]

Serious question? Is there a Bigfoot video out there that hasn't been debunked as a hoax or just a bear standing on 2 legs.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

“Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence “

Stumbled on that line in an unrelated article and thought it was applicable to our Sasquatch neighbours.

Yes one can only conclude it’s highly unlikely that a Sasquatch exists. One can’t conclude that Sasquatch unequivocally does not exist.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Matata

Bigfoot is such an odd entity, on one hand he has all the circumstantial evidence in the world: the Bigfoot Mythos is a global phenomenon that predates modern civilization, and there are tons of seemingly credible people that provide consistent descriptions of how they look and sound. However, there is not one scrap of evidence that Bigfoot exists: no hair, no poop, no video, nothing. I kind of like the Cryptid Theory, where Bigfoots are not what they seem and are actually tremendously advanced creatures when compared to ourselves.

Is the bolded accurate? Going down the Jeff Meldrum rabbit hole seems to indicate there is plenty of hair and poop. Seems there is video but not much of it very clear. Also lots of supposed sound recordings. Like you said, lots of circumstantial evidence, just missing a specimen. Surprising a body hasn't been found to be honest.

[jayswin]

hahahahahhaha