[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

If Bergeron does retire, I expect Lindholm will be a frequent contender for the Selke for many years.


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Backlund was ahead of him last year. I think he was only that high because he was playing on one of the top 3 lines that year.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

jayswin - my prior comment that you quoted from the trade thread refers to THE NEXT 3 years.

But you know this.

Yes, Toffoli put up a lot of PP points last year. But he also had the most productive season of his career, 5 on 5

Toffoli averaged 0.59 points per game at even strength last year.

Two years earlier he averaged 0.60 points per game at even strength.

Maybe Toffoli is just a good point producer 5 on 5.

[NewFan]

Originally Posted by CSharp

LOL, you call that a team with only 2 full forward lines and 1 D-line? They'd be lucky to make it through the first game without getting scored 10 times against! $7M for Pelletier and Coronato? Huh? Guess it's still early in the summer. Enjoy the first day of Stampede! Less than 2 months before school starts again!

Nah, I said for next 5 years can we win with Huber, Lindholm, Nylander, Kadri, Weegar and Andersson as the teams main core. If you add current expected salaries for these players plus a couple young players raised salary there is not much addition to improve the team.

So I think we better go for younger core with drafts and prospects.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Toffoli averaged 0.59 points per game at even strength last year.

Two years earlier he averaged 0.60 points per game at even strength.

Maybe Toffoli is just a good point producer 5 on 5.

Ooh, I stand corrected by 0.01 PPG in a shortened season once.

The discussion was about Lindholm not being able to drive a line, and Toffoli had a career year last year, both 5 on 5, primarily with Lindholm, and on the PP, again primarily with Lindholm. That 0.60 once, in the shortened lockout season doesn't disprove the point.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Ooh, I stand corrected by 0.01 PPG in a shortened season once.

The discussion was about Lindholm not being able to drive a line, and Toffoli had a career year last year, both 5 on 5, primarily with Lindholm, and on the PP, again primarily with Lindholm. That 0.60 once, in the shortened lockout season doesn't disprove the point.

Maybe Toffoli was the line driver and Lindholm was along for the ride like Lindholm was along for the ride with Gaudreau and Tkachuk?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Maybe Toffoli was the line driver and Lindholm was along for the ride like Lindholm was along for the ride with Gaudreau and Tkachuk?

At a certain point you have to ask yourself why you put so much effort into trying discredit every single possible positive people present in Lindholm’s game.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

At a certain point you have to ask yourself why you put so much effort into trying discredit every single possible positive people present in Lindholm’s game.

I have said he is somewhere between the 15-20th best center in the NHL and that Toffoli was also a 1st line RW, likely somewhere between 20-25th best RW in the NHL and that is discrediting Lindholm? I merely suggested that Toffoli drove the line, which is not unreasonable as Toffoli bounced back to his norm for the last 3 years last year after a down season the year before.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I have said he is somewhere between the 15-20th best center in the NHL and that Toffoli was also a 1st line RW, likely somewhere between 20-25th best RW in the NHL and that is discrediting Lindholm? I merely suggested that Toffoli drove the line, which is not unreasonable as Toffoli bounced back to his norm for the last 3 years last year after a down season the year before.

You “merely” respond to almost every single post that praises Lindholm in any way with some reason why he doesn’t actually deserve that praise or why it’s not technically correct in your mind.

Just curious why you bother, mostly. Funny to watch.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Maybe Toffoli was the line driver and Lindholm was along for the ride like Lindholm was along for the ride with Gaudreau and Tkachuk?

Johnny played 2 seasons with Lindholm on his line consistently and he had 99 and 115 points. The 2 years in between they spent some time on a line together but Lindholm was often moved to a line with Tkachuk and Gaudreau was always kept with Monahan. Ward put Lindholm back on the wing in the bubble and Sutter put the Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk line together towards the end of the Canadian division.

Toffoli and Dube had big years last year, career years in fact. I see a lot more correlation that Lindholm has helped others have career years than the other way around.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1677735538256924673

[Ashasx]

It seemed like Craig wanted to create a culture of people who actually wanted to play in Calgary.

I don't really understand this at this point. If he's still unsure, the Flames should be sure that it's time to move on.

And that's ignoring the asset management argument. If players of Lindholm's calibre need to be convinced to sign a $72 million contract, they aren't part of the solution.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It seemed like Craig wanted to create a culture of people who actually wanted to play in Calgary.

I don't really understand this at this point. If he's still unsure, the Flames should be sure that it's time to move on.

And that's ignoring the asset management argument. If players of Lindholm's calibre need to be convinced to sign a $72 million contract, they aren't part of the solution.

I feel like it is more why rush a trade at this point if the returns are garbage. For all we know Lindholm has made it clear he isn't re-signing.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I feel like it is more why rush a trade at this point if the returns are garbage. For all we know Lindholm has made it clear he isn't re-signing.

That's a fair point. That's one of the few logical avenues where the timeline so far would make sense.

[shutout]

Listening to Duhatschek talking with Kerr yesterday and he made a good point that Lindholm might want to stay but is unsure about the team with Hanifin wanting to leave, Toffoli gone, a new GM, and a new coaching staff.

Lots of changes if you want to compete for a cup, how do you accurately decide?

Duhatschek thought was that he will start the season in Calgary and that by December he will have enough information to make a decision. And that if the Flames want to keep him they will give him that time to decide how comfortable he is.

Based on that thought I don't think we see any movement on Lindholm either on a new contract or in a trade until January.

[Flamesfan05]

Just trade him, why do they have to wait for him to be comfortable?
He has never been the key piece to build around

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1677735538256924673

LOL.

That is quite the leap from "No update" to "Seems likely he be unsigned by training camp."

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[Heavy Jack]

I mean, it could be too that Lindholm is still waiting to see what Conroy can do with the roster. Like or lump it there still is currently pieces on this team that if augmented the right way could compete which has also been part of the marching orders echoed by Conroy. With the info dissentowner dropped yesterday I could see something brewing between TML and Calgary that brings Nylander here which might sway Lindholm into sticking around.

I laugh when I read Salim’s tweets about all this, they read as if it’s September and training camp is firing up. There is still so much time from now until then and I think Lindholm’s true decision is swaying on some irons that Conroy has in the fire.

If you’re not even the least bit excited at the prospect of a top line that is Huberdeau - Lindholm - Nylander than I think you should take a break lol all jokes aside Huby is 3 months older than JG and got the same contract we were offering up after putting up 115 himself and while Nylander isn’t quite the player that Tkachuk is I think he’d give us our most lethal pure RW since Iggy and could form a dominant line if stars aligned.

Lots of what if’s still to be determined, no sense in claiming absolutes or status quos until the full scope of GMCC first off-season has been realized.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Just trade him, why do they have to wait for him to be comfortable?
He has never been the key piece to build around

Not trading Lindholm actually gives this team more info from the level of play at the beginning of the season. It lets both managment and Lindholm know if you can have a winning team with Lindholm as a part of it.

Waiting also might create a desperate team, due to injury, cap space, you name it. If the offers right now are lower than what the team thinks he's worth at the deadline, then why make a move simply to make a move? Setting any sort of public deadline only helps other teams to low ball you. That's what happened with Conroy's statement about not going into next season with 7 UFA's.

In a similar situation, we didn't get good value in the Bouwmeester trade, because we were in a rush, we could've hung on to him a bit longer, and gotten better value. As it stands we have nothing to show for it.

[really?]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Just trade him, why do they have to wait for him to be comfortable?
He has never been the key piece to build around

None of us would probably want to commit eight years of our lives to a toxic environment offering us no chance at success, particularly when we were a year away from having a world of options. I'm not suggesting the Flames offer a toxic environment, or have zero chance of success, but given last season's results, and all of the questions that remain about the roster going forward, anything is possible.

It's not an enviable position for the team to be in, but I would question Lindholm's desire to win if he signed a long term deal with so much unknown. IMO the best thing for the Flames to do is to leave the future intact and see where the cards fall. Remember, The Flames got nothing for all their attempts to acquire assets to appease Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

Regardless of what the Flames do, Lindholm could end up signing elsewhere next summer, so it seems fair to give him a few months to evaluate the squad, and then get serious about his future after Thanksgiving.

[howard_the_duck]

I’m not in a rush to trade him if he’s not signing long term, as long as there’s commitment from the flames to move him no matter where they’re at in the standings.

I have faith Conroy will not lose his valued UFAs for nothing.