[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[flambers]

Bergeron in his prime was on a different level than Lindholm

Lindholm is a number 1 center,

Just not at that level

[NewFan]

Looks like we can't re-sign Lindholm, and Nylander same time.

Can it be our core for next 5 years, like

Huberdeau 31 (10.5) - Lindholm 29 (10.0) - Nylander 28 (10.0)
Pelletier (7.0) - Kadri 33 (7.0) - Coronato (7.0)
? - Dube/Honzek (5.0) - ?

Weegar 30 (6.25 ) - Andersson 27 (8.0)

Markstrom/Wolf (6.0)

Total ~ 76 million

Can this roster compete for the Cup?

I think we still need 1 elite D or 2 good top 4 Ds. plus really good 2-3 middle 6 forwards. And rest can be filled with prospects or cheap players.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Looks like we can't re-sign Lindholm, and Nylander same time.

Can it be our core for next 5 years, like

Huberdeau 31 (10.5) - Lindholm 29 (10.0) - Nylander 28 (10.0)
Pelletier (7.0) - Kadri 33 (7.0) - Coronato (7.0)
? - Dube/Honzek (5.0) - ?

Weegar 30 (6.25 ) - Andersson 27 (8.0)

Markstrom/Wolf (6.0)

Total ~ 76 million

Can this roster compete for the Cup?

I think we still need 1 elite D or 2 good top 4 Ds. plus really good 2-3 middle 6 forwards. And rest can be filled with prospects or cheap players.

LOL, you call that a team with only 2 full forward lines and 1 D-line? They'd be lucky to make it through the first game without getting scored 10 times against! $7M for Pelletier and Coronato? Huh? Guess it's still early in the summer. Enjoy the first day of Stampede! Less than 2 months before school starts again!

[MrMike]

If the cap is at 96m

20 million to fill out the rest of the line up, 9 between the second line D
11 Mill for bottom 5, 3D and a back up might be pushing it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by looooob

this is hard once we go back too far- there is little doubt Bob Gainey had excellent reputation and his team had excellent results, but we just don't have the advanced stats to compare to guys now . there were other solid players in that era- his direct peer LW Craig Ramsay also comes to mind. interesting that alot of the guys with big defensive reputations in the 70s (Don Marcotte was another one) were wingers, the 'shut down winger' but I think probably the most preferred elite defensive Fs are going to be Cs.



I wonder how someone like Bobby Clarke would end up faring if we could apply modern metrics to them

It's really hard to compare because in the old days you could mug players and get away with a lot of obstruction. It's much harder nowadays to shadow opposition players. I will say Carbonneau was probably the first premier shot blocking forward in the NHL.

[Hackey]

If the cap goes up it goes up for everyone. So teams who have actually managed their cap well are likely going to have rounded out rosters that are much better. Do the Flames have a single value contract on their roster? Basically everyone is either a fair deal or overpaid. Rasmus is the only guy. Hanifin and Lindholm are UFA so if either are kept they likely become overpaid or fair. Seems like a tough way to keep up with the league.

[dissentowner]

I expect Nylander will settle on 9 - 9.25M when all is said and done, his starting point is double digits, that isn't where he finishes most likely. Move Hanifin for futures and with the cap going up you can definitely manage adding Nylander while retaining Lindholm. Might have to make a few other moves for space but it is entirely possible to do.

[iloveicedhockey]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If the cap goes up it goes up for everyone. So teams who have actually managed their cap well are likely going to have rounded out rosters that are much better. Do the Flames have a single value contract on their roster? Basically everyone is either a fair deal or overpaid. Rasmus is the only guy. Hanifin and Lindholm are UFA so if either are kept they likely become overpaid or fair. Seems like a tough way to keep up with the league.

The two you quoted are on great value contracts this year and have been for a while. If you're referring to when the cap goes up you'd be right but also ignoring those on ELCs, probably intentionally to make a point.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

The two you quoted are on great value contracts this year and have been for a while. If you're referring to when the cap goes up you'd be right but also ignoring those on ELCs, probably intentionally to make a point.

I'm talking about moving forward. Value deals of the past don't help us get closer to contention.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I expect Nylander will settle on 9 - 9.25M when all is said and done, his starting point is double digits, that isn't where he finishes most likely. Move Hanifin for futures and with the cap going up you can definitely manage adding Nylander while retaining Lindholm. Might have to make a few other moves for space but it is entirely possible to do.

I doubt Hanifin lands you Nylander but even if he did would Nylander sign here long term? Top line might look good but your depth is likely thin.

[Enoch Root]

People keep saying Lindholm can't drive a line - tell that to Toffoli, who had a career year on his wing.

Suggesting Vancouver is better off for trading Horvat away is laughable - they are going to spend several more of Pettersson's best years, trying to grow a new Horvat.

To the person that said Lindholm has zero Selke's - that's only because Bergeron (a top 5 all time defensive centerman) is also in the league.

Lindholm isn't Bergeron (obviously), but who is? Lindholm is a solid two-way, first line C. Full stop.

[powderjunkie]

Andersson is great value. Weegar is probably good value.

Tanev was also excellent value.

There are only 9 players under contract beyond this season, so 1 or 2 out of 9 is a fine ratio.

[iloveicedhockey]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'm talking about moving forward. Value deals of the past don't help us get closer to contention.

You asked if there were value contracts and there are.

We also have a lot that are market or above. We no longer have enough stars to contend, at least no without a significant uptick in form from a lot of players.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

People keep saying Lindholm can't drive a line - tell that to Toffoli, who had a career year on his wing.

Suggesting Vancouver is better off for trading Horvat away is laughable - they are going to spend several more of Pettersson's best years, trying to grow a new Horvat.

To the person that said Lindholm has zero Selke's - that's only because Bergeron (a top 5 all time defensive centerman) is also in the league.

Lindholm isn't Bergeron (obviously), but who is? Lindholm is a solid two-way, first line C. Full stop.

If Bergeron does retire, I expect Lindholm will be a frequent contender for the Selke for many years.


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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I doubt Hanifin lands you Nylander but even if he did would Nylander sign here long term? Top line might look good but your depth is likely thin.

Using the futures you got in the Hanifin trade is the key. I also think the Leafs are interested in Tanev and Backlund , if retained half in their deals and took a guy like Liljegren back there could be something there.

Tanev 50% retained
Backlund 50% retained
Pittsburgh 2024 1st

For

Nylander - sign and trade 8 years @ 9.25M AAV.

This is my own trade idea and I suck at them so I am probably off on value here.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If Bergeron isn't the best he's certainly in the top 5.
Off the top of my head Guy Carbonneau, Bob Gainey, Pavel Datsyuk come to mind
Always though Fedorov was under-rated too.
I think he's in that group no?
Oh Jere Lehtinen was damn good to.
I don't know how one breaks it down but Bergeron has to be in the conversation of best all time no?

I feel like this is a conversation on the extremes. If we are comparing Lindholm to Bergeron I don't think he measures up. But that's because that Bergeron bar is damn high.

Fore sure, but to be clear, Bergeron's name came up once and it was due to someone saying we aren't likely to win a Cup, to which Dissentowner exclaimed "then how did Boston do it with Bergeron". I mean that is literally as direct a comparison as you can get, I'm not sure how it could be taken in any other way. And that's the ONLY reason there has been Bergeron vs Lindholm discussion in this thread, discussion that has taken over.

It was a wild and incorrect assertion, but that's how CP threads go - Insane comment = ten pages of back and forth about said comment.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...postcount=1228

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Looks like we can't re-sign Lindholm, and Nylander same time.

Can it be our core for next 5 years, like

Huberdeau 31 (10.5) - Lindholm 29 (10.0) - Nylander 28 (10.0)
Pelletier (7.0) - Kadri 33 (7.0) - Coronato (7.0)
? - Dube/Honzek (5.0) - ?

Weegar 30 (6.25 ) - Andersson 27 (8.0)

Markstrom/Wolf (6.0)

Total ~ 76 million

Can this roster compete for the Cup?

I think we still need 1 elite D or 2 good top 4 Ds. plus really good 2-3 middle 6 forwards. And rest can be filled with prospects or cheap players.

What are you doing? Are you drunk?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

People keep saying Lindholm can't drive a line - tell that to Toffoli, who had a career year on his wing.

Toffoli lit it up on the PP last season with Sutter heavily favouring him, which is way different than clicking 5on5 as linemates, but you know this. This was your comment on the trade that happened a couple weeks ago

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I'll predict right now that Sharangovich puts up more 5 on 5 points than Toffoli, over the next 3 years (Toffoli will get his PP points, playing with Hughes).

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Using the futures you got in the Hanifin trade is the key. I also think the Leafs are interested in Tanev and Backlund , if retained half in their deals and took a guy like Liljegren back there could be something there.

Tanev 50% retained
Backlund 50% retained
Pittsburgh 2024 1st

For

Nylander - sign and trade 8 years @ 9.25M AAV.

This is my own trade idea and I suck at them so I am probably off on value here.

Similar thoughts, and I’d be all over a trade like this (if the team is re-signing Lindy)

[Enoch Root]

jayswin - my prior comment that you quoted from the trade thread refers to THE NEXT 3 years.

But you know this.

Yes, Toffoli put up a lot of PP points last year. But he also had the most productive season of his career, 5 on 5