Percentage of Cap

[shutout]

If you were going to build the ideal cap based line up how would you distribute the money?

I am thinking that the top ten players and your starting goaltender have to account for at least 75% of your cap spending or else you are putting to many resources into depth and not enough into high end skill.

Based on this, below is how I would allocate resources.

LW1 C1 RW1
LW2 C2 RW2
LW3 C3 RW3
LW4 C4 RW4
C5 RW5

LD1 RD1
LD2 RD2
LD3 RD3
RD4

G1
G2

8.5% 10.0% 8.0% 26.5%
6.0% 7.0% 6.0% 19.0%
3.5% 4.5% 3.5% 11.5%
1.5% 1.5% 1.5% 4.5%
1.0% 1.0% 2.0% 63.5%

7.0% 7.0% 14.0%
5.0% 5.0% 10.0%
2.0% 2.0% 4.0%
1.0% 1.0% 29.0%

6.0% 6.0%
1.5% 1.5% 7.5%

100.0% 100.0%

$7,097,500 $8,350,000 $6,680,000
$5,010,000 $5,845,000 $5,010,000
$2,922,500 $3,757,500 $2,922,500
$1,252,500 $1,252,500 $1,252,500
$835,000 $835,000

$5,845,000 $5,845,000
$4,175,000 $4,175,000
$1,670,000 $1,670,000
$835,000

$5,010,000
$1,252,500

$83,500,000 Current Cap

[MrMike]

And that’s why the importance of ELC contracts are huge when you have large contracts on your team. You need to keep pumping youth/cheap into the line up.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by shutout

If you were going to build the ideal cap based line up how would you distribute the money?

I am thinking that the top ten players and your starting goaltender have to account for at least 75% of your cap spending or else you are putting to many resources into depth and not enough into high end skill.

Based on this, below is how I would allocate resources.

LW1 C1 RW1
LW2 C2 RW2
LW3 C3 RW3
LW4 C4 RW4
C5 RW5

LD1 RD1
LD2 RD2
LD3 RD3
RD4

G1
G2

8.5% 10.0% 8.0% 26.5%
6.0% 7.0% 6.0% 19.0%
3.5% 4.5% 3.5% 11.5%
1.5% 1.5% 1.5% 4.5%
1.0% 1.0% 2.0% 63.5%

7.0% 7.0% 14.0%
5.0% 5.0% 10.0%
2.0% 2.0% 4.0%
1.0% 1.0% 29.0%

6.0% 6.0%
1.5% 1.5% 7.5%

100.0% 100.0%

$7,097,500 $8,350,000 $6,680,000
$5,010,000 $5,845,000 $5,010,000
$2,922,500 $3,757,500 $2,922,500
$1,252,500 $1,252,500 $1,252,500
$835,000 $835,000

$5,845,000 $5,845,000
$4,175,000 $4,175,000
$1,670,000 $1,670,000
$835,000

$5,010,000
$1,252,500

$83,500,000 Current Cap

I think this is a great start.

This line up needs to score 250 gf and only have 220 ga or less scored against it to have a chance at the cup.

So my changes would be to have ELC's or cheap young players on the 3rd / 4th lines, and pay your top two lines more. Defence looks fine as well.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

I think this is a great start.

This line up needs to score 250 gf and only have 220 ga or less scored against it to have a chance at the cup.

So my changes would be to have ELC's or cheap young players on the 3rd / 4th lines, and pay your top two lines more. Defence looks fine as well.

Agree with you on the need for ELCs and league minimum players in the lineup.

The players sitting out should be on league minimum contracts so I'd edit that and spend the money elsewhere. You need $10M+ for a superstar these days, so doing that with the 4th liners and popcorn crowd can get you there.

[butterfly]

Also, I wouldn't spend 7.5% of cap on goaltending. I think the money can be better used elsewhere. Maybe 4.5%-5%?

[Owen15]

This thread demonstrates how awesome this community is when you put your minds in gear.

Appreciate all of you.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Agree with you on the need for ELCs and league minimum players in the lineup.

The players sitting out should be on league minimum contracts so I'd edit that and spend the money elsewhere. You need $10M+ for a superstar these days, so doing that with the 4th liners and popcorn crowd can get you there.

Assuming you don’t have an elite superstar as the are getting closer to 15% at the start of their contracts this seems to be a fair spread of the cap.

I’d spend less on wingers and leave room for your top prospects to be in your top 9 on the wing. Even if you have young centers starting out on the wing you probably should have at least 1 forward in your top 9 on a elc or cheaper bridge deal to be a contender

I also like not spending on goalies.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Also, I wouldn't spend 7.5% of cap on goaltending. I think the money can be better used elsewhere. Maybe 4.5%-5%?

You think 6.25m is too much on both goaltenders combined and would rather spend 4m or less?

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by MrMike

You think 6.25m is too much on both goaltenders combined and would rather spend 4m or less?

I think so. Check this out. There's no relationship.



https://thewincolumn.ca/2019/08/10/d...erform-better/

[MrMike]

I understand every team would like to do that, but when your goalie needs a raise do you just let him go and sign Rittich and Aden Hill? Goaltending can tank your entire season as we’ve seen before Markstrom trying with a revolving door of average low cost goaltending.

Either way goaltending is voodoo and luck, but like this past year a GM can put the Blameon Markstrom not getting the job done and get fired if he was betting on a tandom of Aaron Dell and James Riemer.

Mind you again how much I think Carolina is such a well run team with less than 5 million for Anderson and Raanta and small term amounts.

[butterfly]

Again, I think so.

Jonathan Marchessault and Roope Hintz were great in the playoffs. Would you take them on a league average forward salary next year? Of course.

Adin Hill and Sergei Bobrovsky were great in the playoffs. Would you take them on a league average goaltender salary next year? I don't know.

So I'd tend to prefer funneling money to more predictably successful outcomes of goal creation and goal prevention.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Again, I think so.

Jonathan Marchessault and Roope Hintz were great in the playoffs. Would you take them on a league average forward salary next year? Of course.

Adin Hill and Sergei Bobrovsky were great in the playoffs. Would you take them on a league average goaltender salary next year? I don't know.

So I'd tend to prefer funneling money to more predictably successful outcomes of goal creation and goal prevention.

Spend money on coaching instead is another option to keep your goalie cap costs low...and your Defence costs.

[Hackey]

$5.8 million for a number 1 dman is pretty low.

[Icantwhisper]

I’d always spend more on a second line centre than a first line winger.

[GioforPM]

Chart shows how out of hand upper end salaries have gotten. In reality teams are paying top liners (all of them) 10%+ and making up the difference with ELCs and minimums at the bottom.

[Sylvanfan]

Interesting post.

In the real world you will never be able to fully align salary slots with lineup placement. So the key is to have your lower salary guys able to play higher in the lineup which allows for higher spending elsewhere.

You have to keep your 13/14 forwards, 7 D, and 2G at a combined total cost of 3.5 unless your 1G is making under 5 which allows you to allocate more to the 2G.

Definitely getting to a place where if you want to have 4 forwards making more than 6.5 and 2 defenceman in that range, you need to be carrying 5 skaters in that 800k price range. Getting to a point where there seem to be fewer guys in that 2-4 million range to fill those mid roster spots once the ELC is done.

For me I like rate my positions where I would spend money when needed as such. So it does show how tricky last year was for the Flames where 2 elite top line wingers were going to be 1-2 on the salary list if they stayed.

1C
1D1
2C
1W1
1D2
1W2
1G
2D1
2W1
3C
2D2
2W2
3D1
3W1
3W2
2G
4C
3D2
4W1
4W2
5C
5W
4D

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Interesting post.

In the real world you will never be able to fully align salary slots with lineup placement. So the key is to have your lower salary guys able to play higher in the lineup which allows for higher spending elsewhere.

You have to keep your 13/14 forwards, 7 D, and 2G at a combined total cost of 3.5 unless your 1G is making under 5 which allows you to allocate more to the 2G.

Definitely getting to a place where if you want to have 4 forwards making more than 6.5 and 2 defenceman in that range, you need to be carrying 5 skaters in that 800k price range. Getting to a point where there seem to be fewer guys in that 2-4 million range to fill those mid roster spots once the ELC is done.

Maybe its just me but in regards to the G position it seems that more and more teams are getting away from the traditional G1/G2 model and morphing into way more a true tandem being the answer.

I think Carolina is a pretty decent example of this and how it can work (even after injuries forced a 3rd G into the rotation), though they are bit on the extreme side when it comes to actual cost. Not many places are going to be able to comfortably go into a season with 7 million in net among 3 different players. Nice luxury to have actually.

I dont know, the G position is the most important in the game, because if you dont get good tending, you have no chance. Yet it is the hardest to forecast and commit $$ to as guys have up and down seasons all the time...even the very best in the world.

Not sure where Im going with this but looking at the league, I do not think its out of whack to be spending 7-8 M a year in net and paying a couple above avg guys 4 M each might be the new norm in a year or 3.

[Finger Cookin]

I hope to live to the day when player contracts are judged solely by how many standard deviations they were within the league mean.

[Trojan97]

I love the idea of mentioning cap percentages when deals are announced. Salaries are so out of whack from what has been tradition that it would make following what a “good” deal is much easier. Especially when the cap starts moving again more frequently..

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I hope to live to the gay when player contracts are judged solely by how many standard deviations they were within the league mean.

You be you but IMO "deviations" is offside.