2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's interesting that the Flames only have 2 (?) dmen signed beyond next year: Andersson and Weegar.

Kylington, Big Z, Tanev, Hanifin all pending UFAs.
Maybe 1 or 2 of those come back. I would put the over/under at 1.5.

i wonder what the plan is there?

Will be interesting. I imagine the hope is Poirier is ready by then but he’d be on the 3rd pairing. I could see Zadorov and Kylington back but don’t expect the other two back.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Hell no to a $10M Nylander. The guy is a 75pt winger, over ppg once ever. $7.5M tops.

It does seem like a lot. For the Flames to get a ~PPG player for pretty much his whole prime would be pretty awesome though. If the acquisition cost is what the rumour says, I think it would be worth the over payment. I also think with the cap likely to rocket up after next season, the norm is going to be for 75-80 point players to get $9+ million. The additional $1 million is the standard smaller market/Canadian team surcharge.

It's always a big risk though, because sometimes players are just never able to carry over previous success to new teams.

Originally Posted by Sec214

Based off conversations, I believe Nikita would be interested in signing a long term contract in Calgary I will maintain though if the opportunity to play in the state of Florida he would take that.

If Calgary was to attempt to sign Z, it would be a contract similar to what Tanev is currently on. 4.5x4/5.

I would do that. Another player just entering his prime and showing why he was a 1st round pick to begin with.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Born is the imperative word. Not much beyond that lol

Nylander moved to Florida at about 2, then to the Eastern US at 4, while spending summers in Sweden. Then to Sweden permanently at 14.

A lot of Swedish players do like Calgary though. I've heard the weather and access to outdoors reminds them of home.

Kadri could also be a draw. They used to play on a line together in Toronto. A lot of Swedes and Kadri could draw Nylander in.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by blankall

Nylander's salary demands, have me leaning more towards Konecny as the ideal acquisition. Plus Konecny's ties to Calgary, as his wife lives here and he spends the off season here. A 3 way deal with Toronto giving up futures and then Toronto moving Nylander in a separate deal to recoup futures (technically a 4 way deal?)

Obviously, this is all pretty speculative, and the Flames could get neither. I just had my morning coffee.

Is there a way to get Sanheim in there too, who was rumored to be included in the original Hayes trade to the Blues. I think I heard there was a first in there from St. Louis to get him. I wouldn't want to the Flames to add that though.
But Hanifin + ? for Konecny + Sanheim is interesting.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by blankall

Nylander's salary demands, have me leaning more towards Konecny as the ideal acquisition. Plus Konecny's ties to Calgary, as his wife lives here and he spends the off season here. A 3 way deal with Toronto giving up futures and then Toronto moving Nylander in a separate deal to recoup futures (technically a 4 way deal?)

Obviously, this is all pretty speculative, and the Flames could get neither. I just had my morning coffee.

For sure, I've been on the Konecny train for years. I love the way he plays and to me, he seems like a Flames-type of player Positionally, he fits the bill and his current contract is a great deal.

It all depends on acquisition cost, but I would be happy with Nylander or Konecny.

[PepsiFree]

Yeah, count me in as a huge fan if the Flames acquire either Nylander or Konecny.

I think I'd prefer Konecny because of the overall game and I think it's important for a team like Calgary to have people that like the city and want to be here, but Nylander would be fun.

[ComixZone]

I still say that if this team is re-signing Lindholm, then they should be trying to coordinate a trade that lands Nylander as the big return.

I would trade all of these:
Hanifin
Backlund
Tanev

if it meant the return was Nylander (signed to a deal which I imagine would be somewhere around 8 years, $80M).

To Toronto: Tanev, Backlund, 2024 1st round pick (PIT), 2025 3rd round pick (PIT)
To Pittsburgh: Noah Hanifin
To Calgary: William Nylander (8 Years, $80M), Brodie (dump)

Announce Nylander and Lindholm extensions together. Slap the "C" on Lindholm, and we're beginning to see the re-establishment of the structure we had in 2021/2022.

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Nylander
Dube - Kadri - Sharangovich
Mangiapane - Ruzicka - Coleman

Is that enough going to Toronto? Toronto extends Backs and Tanev? They'd then hold 2x 1st round picks and 2x 3rd round picks in 2024.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It does seem like a lot. For the Flames to get a ~PPG player for pretty much his whole prime would be pretty awesome though. If the acquisition cost is what the rumour says, I think it would be worth the over payment. I also think with the cap likely to rocket up after next season, the norm is going to be for 75-80 point players to get $9+ million. The additional $1 million is the standard smaller market/Canadian team surcharge.

It's always a big risk though, because sometimes players are just never able to carry over previous success to new teams.




I would do that. Another player just entering his prime and showing why he was a 1st round pick to begin with.

If Zadorov repeats the kind of quality of year this year that he had last year...... he is going to get paid.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I still say that if this team is re-signing Lindholm, then they should be trying to coordinate a trade that lands Nylander as the big return.

I would trade all of these:
Hanifin
Backlund
Tanev

if it meant the return was Nylander (signed to a deal which I imagine would be somewhere around 8 years, $80M).

To Toronto: Tanev, Backlund, 2024 1st round pick (PIT), 2025 3rd round pick (PIT)
To Pittsburgh: Noah Hanifin
To Calgary: William Nylander (8 Years, $80M), Brodie (dump)

Announce Nylander and Lindholm extensions together. Slap the "C" on Lindholm, and we're beginning to see the re-establishment of the structure we had in 2021/2022.

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Nylander
Dube - Kadri - Sharangovich
Mangiapane - Ruzicka - Coleman

Is that enough going to Toronto? Toronto extends Backs and Tanev? They'd then hold 2x 1st round picks and 2x 3rd round picks in 2024.

would rather retain on salary then take back Brodie (no offense as I like him) but looks good to me!

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I still say that if this team is re-signing Lindholm, then they should be trying to coordinate a trade that lands Nylander as the big return.

I would trade all of these:
Hanifin
Backlund
Tanev

if it meant the return was Nylander (signed to a deal which I imagine would be somewhere around 8 years, $80M).

To Toronto: Tanev, Backlund, 2024 1st round pick (PIT), 2025 3rd round pick (PIT)
To Pittsburgh: Noah Hanifin
To Calgary: William Nylander (8 Years, $80M), Brodie (dump)

Announce Nylander and Lindholm extensions together. Slap the "C" on Lindholm, and we're beginning to see the re-establishment of the structure we had in 2021/2022.

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Nylander
Dube - Kadri - Sharangovich
Mangiapane - Ruzicka - Coleman

Is that enough going to Toronto? Toronto extends Backs and Tanev? They'd then hold 2x 1st round picks and 2x 3rd round picks in 2024.

I don't mind adding Nylander but giving him $10 mil is a much bigger mistake than giving Lindholm $8.5ish. Lindholm is a more valuable player than Nylander.

[Vinny01]

If the “rumor” of Hanifin and Backlund at 50% for Nylander had any legitimacy then I would be all in on that but it doesn’t help the Leafs being $9M over the cap. I guess they could buyout Brodie and Murray?

[bdubbs]

I'd love Nylander here, but Konecny makes more sense given that his partner is from here and he spends some time in the city and seems to enjoy it. Wonder if he's here for Stampede time with his lady?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

I'd love Nylander here, but Konecny makes more sense given that his partner is from here and he spends some time in the city and seems to enjoy it. Wonder if he's here for Stampede time with his lady?

I do agree there. I believe he lives here in the offseason so I would assume they are here unless vacationing

[FlamesAddiction]

Both would come with different risks.

I think Nylander has more offensive upside, but would need a lot more money and cap hit, and for better or worse, we would have him for a long time almost guaranteed. Going by the rumours, it would be a hockey trade of a player coming in, and players going out.

Konecny like has less offensive potential, but is effective in other ways. His current contract is really good, but in a couple of years, he could bolt or require a huge contract taking him later into his 30s than Nylander. Having a local connection mitigates the risk of him bolting slightly. Given Philly's situation, the trade would likely have to send back some kind of futures.

Pick your poison I guess. I'd rather have one of them than none of them though.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the “rumor” of Hanifin and Backlund at 50% for Nylander had any legitimacy then I would be all in on that but it doesn’t help the Leafs being $9M over the cap. I guess they could buyout Brodie and Murray?

How is Calgary fitting that cap in?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

How is Calgary fitting that cap in?

They add $725k in the deal so they have some other moves they could make (Vladar trade) to make it work

[868904]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It does seem like a lot. For the Flames to get a ~PPG player for pretty much his whole prime would be pretty awesome though. If the acquisition cost is what the rumour says, I think it would be worth the over payment. I also think with the cap likely to rocket up after next season, the norm is going to be for 75-80 point players to get $9+ million. The additional $1 million is the standard smaller market/Canadian team surcharge.

It's always a big risk though, because sometimes players are just never able to carry over previous success to new teams.




I would do that. Another player just entering his prime and showing why he was a 1st round pick to begin with.

Nylander doesn't have the stats that Huberdeau has but when I watch these two guys play, I see Nylander as having more "tools", he skates way better, he has a great (almost elite) shot.

I really didn't see much "tools" from Huberdeau. His passing is elite, but if he doesn't have the chemistry with his linemates which he didn't have with anyone on the Flames, that skill is useless.

If Huberdeau wasn't signed to that contract, I'd have no problem paying Nylander that money.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by 868904

Nylander doesn't have the stats that Huberdeau has but when I watch these two guys play, I see Nylander as having more "tools", he skates way better, he has a great (almost elite) shot.

I really didn't see much "tools" from Huberdeau. His passing is elite, but if he doesn't have the chemistry with his linemates which he didn't have with anyone on the Flames, that skill is useless.

If Huberdeau wasn't signed to that contract, I'd have no problem paying Nylander that money.

Huberdeau was a star long before he played with Bennett and Duclair.

Huberdeau is better than Nylander. Nylander is as soft as they get and often disppears in the playoffs

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Is there a way to get Sanheim in there too, who was rumored to be included in the original Hayes trade to the Blues. I think I heard there was a first in there from St. Louis to get him. I wouldn't want to the Flames to add that though.
But Hanifin + ? for Konecny + Sanheim is interesting.

I like everything in this post. It let's the team compete with guys that want to be here. This trade has to come with lindy re-signing as my only add.
This could all happen will keeping our 1st. I wonder if Philly would take vladar, or if we could get a 2nd for him to add as a sweater.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I like everything in this post. It let's the team compete with guys that want to be here. This trade has to come with lindy re-signing as my only add.
This could all happen will keeping our 1st. I wonder if Philly would take vladar, or if we could get a 2nd for him to add as a sweater.

I suggested this before, the Flames want a "Hanifin type" defenseman on a long term contract, they want to sign Hanifin, but Hanifin doesn't want to. The Flames can get a "Hanifin type" in Sanheim. So they should trade him to the Flyers for Sanheim, maybe try and get the Flyers to eat a little bit of cap.

Why do the Flyers do it? They can't seem to trade Sanheim for just picks and prospects, which is what they want. Other teams can't take on the contract and cap hit without sending salary back. The Flames WANT that kind of contract for a top 4 defenseman in their prime. With Hanifin, the Flyers can take their time and wait for the trade deadline and trade Hanifin for a haul of picks and prospects.

Both teams get what they want, Flames get their top 4 defenseman locked up and Flyers get their picks and prospects at the trade deadline.

More importantly, both teams won't get their worst case, which for the Flames is losing Hanifin, the asset for nothing, and for the Flyers, it's being stuck with a contract they don't want during their rebuild.