2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The cap doesn't work, plus I don't think that's enough. Instead of Debrusk I'd want Zacha and I'd also want Lysell. I guess if it was Debrusk+Lysell+Carlo for Hanifin and Backlund it could work. The B's are in trouble and should overpay for what they need and they need guys like Hanifin, Backlund, and Lindholm.

Zacha+Lysell+Carlo+next year's unprotected first

for

Hanifin+Lindholm

Would that be enough?

I don't love that return for Hanifin alone, surely we can get a hell of a lot more if it is for both.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Jeez, don't even know why Conroy has to overthink this one, just trade Vladar for anything. $2.2 million is worth the roster spot for Wolf alone. If you're not paying to give him away in this environment it's a win.

Yes, the win more scenario is to weasel out of Markstrom's contract, but this is not the year where that has any hope of happenning.

I think a GM should set a price on every asset he's looking to move and then wait for that price to be met.

The last thing you want is a punchy GM just looking to get things done.

Sometimes you set it too high and you have to adjust (for that trade and for future trades). Sometimes the market dries up.

But you don't want a GM thinking "just get this done" with any asset of value in my mind.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think a GM should set a price on every asset he's looking to move and then wait for that price to be met.

The last thing you want is a punchy GM just looking to get things done.

Sometimes you set it too high and you have to adjust (for that trade and for future trades). Sometimes the market dries up.

But you don't want a GM thinking "just get this done" with any asset of value in my mind.

You also don’t want to see Cammalleri walk to UFA and get nothing for him because you set an arbitrary rule to take a shot at the previous GM. Somewhere in between is good. It would be a shame if we set a price for Hanifin, Lindholm, Tanev, Backlund and then lost all 4 and at the press conference the GM says “hey, I set my price, nobody met it”.

Somewhere in-between those two awful Flames precedents would be good.

[Robbob]

Even worse, you don't want a GM with a reputation that will "just get it done" or are desperate to get it done. i.e. Chiarelli with Hall and Eberle.

[Vinny01]

The one thing no matter what that I want the organization to commit to is not losing Hanifin or Lindholm for nothing. If they roll into the season with them because they don’t like the offers we know teams will be looking to make moves to bolster their roster during the season and leading up to the deadline.

No matter what those guys cannot walk for nothing so even if this team is in first place I want assets for those guys. I don’t think the team would ever sell if they were firmly in a playoff spot so that is what concerns me. I am nowhere near as down on the current roster as others for next year and I could easily see this team in the mix for the division with their current group.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The one thing no matter what that I want the organization to commit to is not losing Hanifin or Lindholm for nothing. If they roll into the season with them because they don’t like the offers we know teams will be looking to make moves to bolster their roster during the season and leading up to the deadline.

No matter what those guys cannot walk for nothing so even if this team is in first place I want assets for those guys. I don’t think the team would ever sell if they were firmly in a playoff spot so that is what concerns me. I am nowhere near as down on the current roster as others for next year and I could easily see this team in the mix for the division with their current group.

Here is to praying that none of them get injured so they can still be worth something at the deadline.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

You also don’t want to see Cammalleri walk to UFA and get nothing for him because you set an arbitrary rule to take a shot at the previous GM. Somewhere in between is good. It would be a shame if we set a price for Hanifin, Lindholm, Tanev, Backlund and then lost all 4 and at the press conference the GM says “hey, I set my price, nobody met it”.

Somewhere in-between those two awful Flames precedents would be good.

It’s still very early to assume they won’t move the UFAs because they are stubborn on prices. It does look like they hit bad timing with this draft and free agency period which is unfortunate. They can sell players cheap before or the during the season if they have to. Why do it now.

[CliffFletcher]

I can already see how this is going to play out for some fans.

Teams says they won’t walk key players to UFA.

Great plan. Glad to see they’ve learned from their mistakes

Team can’t get deals done at draft.

Nobody wanted to trade picks this year. Anyway, lots of movement happens when free agency opens.

Team can’t get any deals done during flurry of activity on July 1-2.

Really soft market. Can’t sell for pennies on the dollar. Team will get something done later in the summer.

Camp opens with important players still not traded or extended.

Something will open up in the season. Just have to be patient.

Trade deadline approaches with team in the mix for a wildcard spot.

I trust the team to make a hard decision if necessary and move the pending UFAs at the deadline.

Team doesn’t move pending UFAs at deadline.

We’re trying to build a winning culture, and it would have demoralized the team to trade away key players while in a playoff race. Anyway, it was fun watching the team fight for a playoff spot / play five games in the first round. And fun is what being a fan is all about, isn’t it?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

You also don’t want to see Cammalleri walk to UFA and get nothing for him because you set an arbitrary rule to take a shot at the previous GM. Somewhere in between is good. It would be a shame if we set a price for Hanifin, Lindholm, Tanev, Backlund and then lost all 4 and at the press conference the GM says “hey, I set my price, nobody met it”.

Somewhere in-between those two awful Flames precedents would be good.

Everyone is going to be wrong ...

You set a price that you think is fair and it doesn't ever happen. You then adjust if you have set prices too high, or just chalk it up to a strange temporary market.

Your list is different though as they have to go at some point in the next 9 months.

Vladar doesn't.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I can already see how this is going to play out for some fans.

Teams says they won’t walk key players to UFA.

Great plan. Glad to see they’ve learned from their mistakes

Team can’t get deals done at draft.

Nobody wanted to trade picks this year. Anyway, lots of movement happens when free agency opens.

Team can’t get any deals done during flurry of activity on July 1-2.

Really soft market. Can’t sell for pennies on the dollar. Team will get something done later in the summer.

Camp opens with important players still not traded or extended.

Something will open up in the season. Just have to be patient.

Trade deadline approaches with team in the mix for a wildcard spot.

I trust the team to make a hard decision if necessary and move the pending UFAs at the deadline.

Team doesn’t move pending UFAs at deadline.

It would have demoralized the team to trade away key players while in a playoff race. Anyway, it was fun watching the team fight for a playoff spot / play five games in the first round. And fun is what being a fan is all about, isn’t it?

Unfortunately this wouldn't shock me

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I can already see how this is going to play out for some fans.

Teams says they won’t walk key players to UFA.

Great plan. Glad to see they’ve learned from their mistakes

Team can’t get deals done at draft.

Nobody wanted to trade picks this year. Anyway, lots of movement happens when free agency opens.

Team can’t get any deals done during flurry of activity on July 1-2.

Really soft market. Can’t sell for pennies on the dollar. Team will get something done later in the summer.

Camp opens with important players still not traded or extended.

Something will open up in the season. Just have to be patient.

Trade deadline approaches with team in the mix for a wildcard spot.

I trust the team to make a hard decision if necessary and move the pending UFAs at the deadline.

Team doesn’t move pending UFAs at deadline.

It would have demoralized the team to trade away key players while in a playoff race. Anyway, it was fun watching the team fight for a playoff spot / play five games in the first round. And fun is what being a fan is all about, isn’t it?

I think it depends on the free agent.

I think it's unlikely they let Hanifin & Lindholm walk for nothing.
I think they could do that with a subset set of Backlund, Zadarov, and Tanev but unlikely to do for all of them. But will they lose 1 or 2 of those for nothing? Perhaps.

The Wild card is Kylington as we don't know what his performance is going to be like when he returns.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I can already see how this is going to play out for some fans.

Teams says they won’t walk key players to UFA.

Great plan. Glad to see they’ve learned from their mistakes

Team can’t get deals done at draft.

Nobody wanted to trade picks this year. Anyway, lots of movement happens when free agency opens.

Team can’t get any deals done during flurry of activity on July 1-2.

Really soft market. Can’t sell for pennies on the dollar. Team will get something done later in the summer.

Camp opens with important players still not traded or extended.

Something will open up in the season. Just have to be patient.

Trade deadline approaches with team in the mix for a wildcard spot.

I trust the team to make a hard decision if necessary and move the pending UFAs at the deadline.

Team doesn’t move pending UFAs at deadline.

We’re trying to build a winning culture, and it would have demoralized the team to trade away key players while in a playoff race. Anyway, it was fun watching the team fight for a playoff spot / play five games in the first round. And fun is what being a fan is all about, isn’t it?

So you obviously won't be watching then because you clearly can see the future?

I'm willing to give Conroy a chance. He says he learned from Johnny walking so why not wait and see?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

So you obviously won't be watching then because you clearly can see the future?

I'm willing to give Conroy a chance. He says he learned from Johnny walking so why not wait and see?

I am waiting and seeing. But there were a limited number of realistic destinations for guys like Lindholm, Hanifin, Backlund, and most of those teams addressed their needs last week. Rosters are set, teams are capped out. The number of potential partners Conroy can deal with going forward is much smaller than it was.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

this kid has been lights out at every level. He is as much a sure thing as you're going to see in a goaltending prospect.

That's just the bottom line. You're either willing or not to give kids a chance. It would be pretty stupid to not let this guy be the back-up next year.

No wonder nobody wants to play for the Flames, if this is the type of attitude of the franchise. He will do no worse than Vladar- that is a guarantee and yes, you can say that is a "sure thing".

Time to monetize Vladar for the best available value.

I'd also be worried about the dreaded 3 headed goalie monster.
I guess you could waive Vladar and stick him in the minors if you don't trade him.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I can already see how this is going to play out for some fans.

Teams says they won’t walk key players to UFA.

Great plan. Glad to see they’ve learned from their mistakes

Team can’t get deals done at draft.

Nobody wanted to trade picks this year. Anyway, lots of movement happens when free agency opens.

Team can’t get any deals done during flurry of activity on July 1-2.

Really soft market. Can’t sell for pennies on the dollar. Team will get something done later in the summer.

Camp opens with important players still not traded or extended.

Something will open up in the season. Just have to be patient.

Trade deadline approaches with team in the mix for a wildcard spot.

I trust the team to make a hard decision if necessary and move the pending UFAs at the deadline.

Team doesn’t move pending UFAs at deadline.

We’re trying to build a winning culture, and it would have demoralized the team to trade away key players while in a playoff race. Anyway, it was fun watching the team fight for a playoff spot / play five games in the first round. And fun is what being a fan is all about, isn’t it?

I've been saying this is how it will play out for a month now. They missed the boat.

Also, it's untrue that people were unwilling to trade 1sts last year. Multiple were traded. 1 team held 3. The flames simply missed their opportunity, as they usually do.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I can already see how this is going to play out for some fans.

Teams says they won’t walk key players to UFA.

Great plan. Glad to see they’ve learned from their mistakes

Team can’t get deals done at draft.

Nobody wanted to trade picks this year. Anyway, lots of movement happens when free agency opens.

Team can’t get any deals done during flurry of activity on July 1-2.

Really soft market. Can’t sell for pennies on the dollar. Team will get something done later in the summer.

Camp opens with important players still not traded or extended.

Something will open up in the season. Just have to be patient.

Trade deadline approaches with team in the mix for a wildcard spot.

I trust the team to make a hard decision if necessary and move the pending UFAs at the deadline.

Team doesn’t move pending UFAs at deadline.

We’re trying to build a winning culture, and it would have demoralized the team to trade away key players while in a playoff race. Anyway, it was fun watching the team fight for a playoff spot / play five games in the first round. And fun is what being a fan is all about, isn’t it?

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I am waiting and seeing. But there were a limited number of realistic destinations for guys like Lindholm, Hanifin, Backlund, and most of those teams addressed their needs last week. Rosters are set, teams are capped out. The number of potential partners Conroy can deal with going forward is much smaller than it was.

Yeah Conroy was left a total mess. I'm of the camp that he has to stand his ground on the prices as a new GM but his stress levels must be up a lot from before.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

I'd also be worried about the dreaded 3 headed goalie monster.
I guess you could waive Vladar and stick him in the minors if you don't trade him.

Lol! trade him for a third or wave him and lose for nothing... this is how beaten down our fandom has become.

Legit trade vladar for anything you get, unless someone is foolish enough to consider markstrom viable.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Yeah Conroy was left a total mess. I'm of the camp that he has to stand his ground on the prices as a new GM but his stress levels must be up a lot from before.

Yeah I don't think it's Conroy's fault. It's constant with this organization though. They should have #### canned tre as soon as the playoffs were off the table. Should have hired conroy much sooner instead of dragging out the hiring process when everyone knew the result. There's so much lost negotiating time in there it is ridiculous.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I've been saying this is how it will play out for a month now. They missed the boat.

Also, it's untrue that people were unwilling to trade 1sts last year. Multiple were traded. 1 team held 3. The flames simply missed their opportunity, as they usually do.

Yeah, but they weren't selling last deadline and I wasn't expecting it. I am leery that if they are in the playoff race they'll do it again if they hold the UFAs. I still think they are giving way too much leeway to Lindholm though and that is part of the issue. If he re-signs they will follow their preference and do re-tool trades. If he wants out then I guess we will see if they follow through even at the deadline.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lol! trade him for a third or wave him and lose for nothing... this is how beaten down our fandom has become.

Legit trade vladar for anything you get, unless someone is foolish enough to consider markstrom viable.

I think Vladar has some trade value, but not a lot. I don't think the market for goalies is usually very high, and he's just an average backup.

I think come training camp they should get rid of him for whatever they can get and not have the 3 goalie situation to start the regular season.
Teams don't get a prospect like Wolf often and it's now his time for the NHL.