2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[mrdonkey]

Jeez, don't even know why Conroy has to overthink this one, just trade Vladar for anything. $2.2 million is worth the roster spot for Wolf alone. If you're not paying to give him away in this environment it's a win.

Yes, the win more scenario is to weasel out of Markstrom's contract, but this is not the year where that has any hope of happenning.

[Harry Lime]

Also, a top pair D 26 years old has more value than top 6 RW, 26 years old.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I'll give Conroy a pass if he's waiting until training camp to see how Wolf looks before moving Vladar.

Markstrom + Wolf makes the most sense but maybe waiting a bit to deal Vladar isn't the worst idea.

[sevenarms]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I'll give Conroy a pass if he's waiting until training camp to see how Wolf looks before moving Vladar.

Markstrom + Wolf makes the most sense but maybe waiting a bit to deal Vladar isn't the worst idea.

An injury to another team's starter at camp could make for a much better return. Makes sense to wait now the draft is passed.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by sevenarms

An injury to another team's starter at camp could make for a much better return. Makes sense to wait now the draft is passed.

Or, we get to camp and there's like 5 or 6 equally good or better goalies left without a contract willing to sign for less. That risk is 100% there, and quite likely.

Waiting is not always the best move.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I'll give Conroy a pass if he's waiting until training camp to see how Wolf looks before moving Vladar.

Markstrom + Wolf makes the most sense but maybe waiting a bit to deal Vladar isn't the worst idea.

It’s July… we’re nowhere near a point of “take whatever you can for him”. Teams are still signing goalies (doesn’t cost assets), evaluating their own rosters/cap, and have their own goalies going into or recovering from surgeries/injuries. Why wouldn’t you push this into training camp if you aren’t getting the value you want?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Or, we get to camp and there's like 5 or 6 equally good or better goalies left without a contract willing to sign for less. That risk is 100% there, and quite likely.

Waiting is not always the best move.

If I’m the GM of a team, why am I even considering trading an asset for a guy when I have a list of 5 or 6 equally good goalies that I can just sign?

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

If I’m the GM of a team, why am I even considering trading for a guy when I have a list of 5 or 6 equally good goalies that I can just sign?

Uncertainty. The longer you wait, the smaller that advantage. What do the Flames gain by waiting more? Potentially everything, potentially a few spots in the depth rounds of a mediocre draft.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Uncertainty. The longer you wait, the smaller that advantage. What do the Flames gain by waiting more? Potentially everything, potentially a few spots in the depth rounds of a mediocre draft.

We’re into free agency. Either this hypothetical market exists or it doesn’t. Are 5 goalies mulling over 6 offers each?

They’re going to get a good return for Vladar when they trade him. Let the guy do his job and stop pretending we know what he’s been offered. We basically just want news.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Also, I can’t imagine they slot Wolf in without him taking a spot in camp (which I think he’ll easily do). I know a lot of heads will blow but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him start the first week in the A no matter how camp goes, while they finalize a trade (probably been in the works all summer).

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by sevenarms

An injury to another team's starter at camp could make for a much better return. Makes sense to wait now the draft is passed.

No injuries at camp for teams carrying two goalies means you either demote him or get nothing at training camp because teams have 2-3 nhl goalies at camp...

Most teams will take a flyer on some guy going through waivers since they likely only need cover for a few weeks or a couple of months. Odds that a top team loses their starting goalie without another goalie in the farm system that would then overpay for Vladar would be minimal.

Having said that...I am firmly with those that want to move Markstrom...which had a snowballs chance in hell of happening...

[Samiz]

If I'm a GM of a team, I would ideally want to have my goalies going into camp. Feel like the sooner you have your squad assembled, the more valuable a camp can be

[CFO]

I could see a hockey trade - something like following


Hanafin plus Backlund for debrusk and Carlo.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

If I’m the GM of a team, why am I even considering trading an asset for a guy when I have a list of 5 or 6 equally good goalies that I can just sign?

Such as?

As far as I can tell, there's one UFA goalie still available who played at least 10 games in the NHL last season and had better stats than Vladar and that's Halak. There's only one UFA goalie who had more wins in the NHL last season than Vladar and that's Martin Jones.

Halak is 12 years older than Vladar and Jones is 7.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Or, we get to camp and there's like 5 or 6 equally good or better goalies left without a contract willing to sign for less. That risk is 100% there, and quite likely.

Waiting is not always the best move.

The likelihood that there are 5 or 6 better goalies with NHL experience similar to Vladar is low. The likelihood of an injury is higher. Goaltending is not usually a “next man up” job the way defence or forwards are as it is a lot harder to hide a guy who is not quite there in net like you can with forwards and defence.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

We’re into free agency. Either this hypothetical market exists or it doesn’t. Are 5 goalies mulling over 6 offers each?

They’re going to get a good return for Vladar when they trade him. Let the guy do his job and stop pretending we know what he’s been offered. We basically just want news.

I don't see this. I can't see the goalie market being so thin that an average back up would get a good return from anyone.
There will probably be goalies just as good on the waiver market during training camp. At best you'll get a "meh" player back at the same salary.

[Nelson]

There’s the potential that another team’s goalie staff thinks they could get more out of Vladar.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by CFO

I could see a hockey trade - something like following


Hanafin plus Backlund for debrusk and Carlo.

The cap doesn't work, plus I don't think that's enough. Instead of Debrusk I'd want Zacha and I'd also want Lysell. I guess if it was Debrusk+Lysell+Carlo for Hanifin and Backlund it could work. The B's are in trouble and should overpay for what they need and they need guys like Hanifin, Backlund, and Lindholm.

Zacha+Lysell+Carlo+next year's unprotected first

for

Hanifin+Lindholm

Would that be enough?

[Toonage]

Boston doesnt have a 1st or 2nd next year.

Also Zacha has a pretty great deal. Not sure they do that. Personally I would be happy with that for the Flames

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Wolf is still not a sure thing. They will make room for him but he’s the backup going into the season.

this kid has been lights out at every level. He is as much a sure thing as you're going to see in a goaltending prospect.

That's just the bottom line. You're either willing or not to give kids a chance. It would be pretty stupid to not let this guy be the back-up next year.

No wonder nobody wants to play for the Flames, if this is the type of attitude of the franchise. He will do no worse than Vladar- that is a guarantee and yes, you can say that is a "sure thing".

Time to monetize Vladar for the best available value.