Edmonton is No Good X: Up and Down Like a Toilet Seat

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

They could have in the sense that “anything could happen” I guess, sure.

You’re free to keep believing everyone is just helping out a mid-market Canadian team with the biggest superstar in the league out of the kindness of their hearts though, if you want.

Great. Nice that you could finally admit that you’re wrong. Good luck with basic logic in the future.

Elsewhere in the wild & crazy real world where “anything could happen”, amazingly Dallas was able to secure a similar asset in Sam Steel, who had better production without taking on another teams dead weight contract. Hmm.. and another Detroit acoylyte running that organization as well. Maybe he’s the smarter one that isn’t interested in helping out a former coworker’s team in the same conference.

Crazy luck I guess.

Finally, no one beside you has said “everyone” or “anyone” was “just helping out a mid-market Canadian team with the biggest superstar in the league out of the kindness of their hearts.”

It was a specific person & team.

The person and team helping out the Oilers isn’t some spurious rando. The exact team and person have a direct working history with the Oilers GM in the same franchise dating back well over 3 decades.

But keeping moving the goalposts, no one is falling for your nonsense.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Locke

How do you figure that?

He took an unwanted and troublesome contract off Edmonton's books and cap for ZERO return and then paid actual cash out of his owner's pocket and against his cap to make it disappear.

In return for nothing.

What would you call that?

They got Kostin for eating 1 mil in cap.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Great. Nice that you could finally admit that you’re wrong. Good luck with basic logic in the future.

Elsewhere in the wild & crazy real world where “anything could happen”, amazingly Dallas was able to secure a similar asset in Sam Steel, who had better production without taking on another teams dead weight contract. Hmm.. and another Detroit acoylyte running that organization as well. Maybe he’s the smarter one that isn’t interested in helping out a former coworker’s team in the same conference.

Crazy luck I guess.

Finally, no one beside you has said “everyone” or “anyone” was “just helping out a mid-market Canadian team with the biggest superstar in the league out of the kindness of their hearts.”

It was a specific person & team.

The person and team helping out the Oilers isn’t some spurious rando. The exact team and person have a direct working history with the Oilers GM in the same franchise dating back well over 3 decades.

But keeping moving the goalposts, no one is falling for your nonsense.

lol

“nice you could finally admit you’re wrong”
“keep moving the goalposts”
“no one is falling for your nonsense”

Guy, you can barely read and you’re having a super serious temper tantrum because someone disagreed that Detroit could have just had an RFA of another team “for nothing.” Touch grass. Take a breath. Maybe reduce the snark by 80% if you freak out when you get it back, otherwise you look dumb.

I think the fact that Kostin got 2 years at 2 million shows he had much higher value than Steel who could only pull one year at under a million. Unless you think that Yzerman also paid Kostin more as some kind of gift to the Oilers, too?

It doesn’t matter if Yzerman knows Holland. It’s not his money. What’s he going to do, go to his boss and say “Hey sorry I threw one million in the garbage because a guy I used to work with asked me to and then I signed a player to $2M per season even though someone online said I could have gotten a similar asset for nothing, that OK?” Probably not, right? He’s a professional and a pretty well-respected one in the league, but one deal with the Oilers and apparently he’s just damaging his reputation and wasting some cap to do them a solid. Sounds realistic.

Regardless of how anyone spins it, if Detroit wanted Kostin, there was no guarantee they could get him without the trade. So they made the trade. It’s far less dramatic than you need it to be, but it is what it is. Oilers lost two players they would have liked to have kept because they’re poorly managed. Edmonton remains no good.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

lol

“nice you could finally admit you’re wrong”
“keep moving the goalposts”
“no one is falling for your nonsense”

Guy, you can barely read and you’re having a super serious temper tantrum because someone disagreed that Detroit could have just had an RFA of another team “for nothing.” Touch grass. Take a breath. Maybe reduce the snark by 80% if you freak out when you get it back, otherwise you look dumb.

I think the fact that Kostin got 2 years at 2 million shows he had much higher value than Steel who could only pull one year at under a million. Unless you think that Yzerman also paid Kostin more as some kind of gift to the Oilers, too?

It doesn’t matter if Yzerman knows Holland. It’s not his money. What’s he going to do, go to his boss and say “Hey sorry I threw one million in the garbage because a guy I used to work with asked me to and then I signed a player to $2M per season even though someone online said I could have gotten a similar asset for nothing, that OK?” Probably not, right? He’s a professional and a pretty well-respected one in the league, but one deal with the Oilers and apparently he’s just damaging his reputation and wasting some cap to do them a solid. Sounds realistic.

Regardless of how anyone spins it, if Detroit wanted Kostin, there was no guarantee they could get him without the trade. So they made the trade. It’s far less dramatic than you need it to be, but it is what it is. Oilers lost two players they would have liked to have kept because they’re poorly managed. Edmonton remains no good.

“Guy, you can barely read”

Oh no… what a burn.…

Right. I’m having the super series temper tantrum lol… in the 30 seconds it takes to respond to your spurious comedy defending the Oilers… lol

“Regardless of how anyone spins it”

Please give us another lecture on snark...

You have it all figured out. If Detroit wanted Kostin they could have had him on waivers last year too! lol…

Yzerman is really getting rave reviews on his contracts these days… lol… excellent point.

But gone on… Who besides you says anything about Yzerman damaging his reputation by trading favours? Who said anything about guarantees beside you?

But please freak out again when I point out how you completely distort the narrative of the conversation.

That being: “The Oilers were provided with a favour.”

Please give us another diatribe about how providing favours or pre-existing relationships don’t matter in business, the last one was great.

But let’s not bury the lead.

In a thread about how “Edmonton is No Good”, keep defending or rationalizing that the Oilers were NOT in any way provided with a favour all you want.

It just makes you sound more like part of the Oiler fanbase.

[Samonadreau]

Edmonton is no good.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Boreal

“Guy, you can barely read”

Oh no… what a burn.…

Right. I’m having the super series temper tantrum lol… in the 30 seconds it takes to respond to your spurious comedy defending the Oilers… lol

“Regardless of how anyone spins it”

Please give us another lecture on snark...

You have it all figured out. If Detroit wanted Kostin they could have had him on waivers last year too! lol…

Yzerman is really getting rave reviews on his contracts these days… lol… excellent point.

But gone on… Who besides you says anything about Yzerman damaging his reputation by trading favours? Who said anything about guarantees beside you?

But please freak out again when I point out how you completely distort the narrative of the conversation.

That being: “The Oilers were provided with a favour.”

Please give us another diatribe about how providing favours or pre-existing relationships don’t matter in business, the last one was great.

But let’s not bury the lead.

In a thread about how “Edmonton is No Good”, keep defending or rationalizing that the Oilers were NOT in any way provided with a favour all you want.

It just makes you sound more like part of the Oiler fanbase.

Serious question: do you think turning around and pretending I’m the one freaking out makes your meltdown any less obvious? lol

You being unable to read wasn’t about delivering a burn. You just misspelled “serious” and misuse words like “diatribe” and “spurious,” along with phrases like “bury the lede” (it’s lede, not lead) because you either don’t know what they mean and think they sound good or are so mad you’re seeing things that aren’t there. The point is that maybe it’s time to relax.

Being able to get Kostin on waivers a year ago has nothing to do with today. You probably couldn’t get a signed Tkachuk for Huberdeau and Weegar today either, things change. We’re not talking about a year ago. You know that.

You can pull the last ditch effort of calling me an Oilers fan if you want but my posting history speaks for itself. Defending Yzerman =/= defending the Oilers, despite how enraged it makes you. Try again and touch that grass my man, it’s looking like a beautiful day outside. Or hit us with another “your spurious diatribe fails to address the wrongness of your narrative!!” I guess LOL

Edmonton is no good.

[2Stonedbirds]

Forum needs a private room section.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Forum needs a private room section.

People need to learn manners.
Discussion and debate would be useful additions. (As opposed to name-calling and other rather dubious "arguments".)

Sometimes I wonder if the average age of posters on here is greater than 15.

None of which changes the basic fact that E=NG, now and always.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

People need to learn manners.
Discussion and debate would be useful additions. (As opposed to name-calling and other rather dubious "arguments".)

Sometimes I wonder if the average age of posters on here is greater than 15.

None of which changes the basic fact that E=NG, now and always.

Square that with the fact that the average age is probably 45 and it becomes a haunting view of elder millennials.

[woolymammoth]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Forum needs a private room section.

Pepsifree also needs a life... but both would help.

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15,803 and willing to bet 50% of those are spent arguing on a keyboard. embarassing

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Serious question: do you think turning around and pretending I’m the one freaking out makes your meltdown any less obvious? lol

You being unable to read wasn’t about delivering a burn. You just misspelled “serious” and misuse words like “diatribe” and “spurious,” along with phrases like “bury the lede” (it’s lede, not lead) because you either don’t know what they mean and think they sound good or are so mad you’re seeing things that aren’t there. The point is that maybe it’s time to relax.

Being able to get Kostin on waivers a year ago has nothing to do with today. You probably couldn’t get a signed Tkachuk for Huberdeau and Weegar today either, things change. We’re not talking about a year ago. You know that.

You can pull the last ditch effort of calling me an Oilers fan if you want but my posting history speaks for itself. Defending Yzerman =/= defending the Oilers, despite how enraged it makes you. Try again and touch that grass my man, it’s looking like a beautiful day outside. Or hit us with another “your spurious diatribe fails to address the wrongness of your narrative!!” I guess LOL

Edmonton is no good.

You really are hilarious. Grammar & spelling lessons along with sports business acumen. You are a gift that keeps on giving. Now, for some other weird reason you are discussing Tkachuk? What? Lol. Ok.

Please, tell us more about how your glorious posting history speaks for itself, OBVIOUSLY with immaculate spelling & grammar. I can’t wait for it to get published… lol…

Keep enjoying your Oiler propaganda along with all of the excuses to defend it.

oh no… wait… is this another “enraged tantrum”. Sorry I didn’t mean to offend you again.

[Radio]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Forum needs a private room section.

We need a Super Mega Pissing Match thread where this stuff can be moved to. Seems to be an eventuality of every thread.

[Monahammer]

Kostin is a good player and I wish we could have acquired him. Using extra cap space to acquire good young players and additional picks with no hockey cost seems like a high IQ move to me, and one that is likely to better the team. Team still isn't looking to compete for the cup this year, and is still building to something better.

Oilers dumped two fairly useful assets when correctly used for nothing because they can't afford their already terrible roster. I don't think it's really done them many favors. They wanted to keep Kostin and he's gone. Yammamoto is another failed 1st rounder for them. They didn't acquire enough cap space to sign anyone useful, only to survive and fill their roster. They're not going to be better this year because of this trade.

Not sure why we are still talking about it tbh.

[topfiverecords]

Kostin wasn’t claimed on waivers. He was acquired for Samorukov from St. Louis.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Boreal

You really are hilarious. Grammar & spelling lessons along with sports business acumen. You are a gift that keeps on giving. Now, for some other weird reason you are discussing Tkachuk? What? Lol. Ok.

Please, tell us more about how your glorious posting history speaks for itself, OBVIOUSLY with immaculate spelling & grammar. I can’t wait for it to get published… lol…

Keep enjoying your Oiler propaganda along with all of the excuses to defend it.

oh no… wait… is this another “enraged tantrum”. Sorry I didn’t mean to offend you again.

Nobody is offended, it was just funny watching you go from offering to explain the word “could” to showing you didn’t really have a grasp on any of this stuff. I mean, it’s pretty clear why I brought up Tkachuk (used as a reference point for how things can change in a year) that I don’t think the majority would need it explained.

There’s no Oilers propaganda in this situation, there’s no grand conspiracy. It’s going to be OK. Take a lap and enjoy the no-goodness of Edmonton. Everything is OK.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

People need to learn manners.
Discussion and debate would be useful additions. (As opposed to name-calling and other rather dubious "arguments".)

Sometimes I wonder if the average age of posters on here is greater than 15.

None of which changes the basic fact that E=NG, now and always.

lol tell you don't know an actual 15 year old without telling me etc etc.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Kostin is a good player and I wish we could have acquired him. Using extra cap space to acquire good young players and additional picks with no hockey cost seems like a high IQ move to me, and one that is likely to better the team. Team still isn't looking to compete for the cup this year, and is still building to something better.

Oilers dumped two fairly useful assets when correctly used for nothing because they can't afford their already terrible roster. I don't think it's really done them many favors. They wanted to keep Kostin and he's gone. Yammamoto is another failed 1st rounder for them. They didn't acquire enough cap space to sign anyone useful, only to survive and fill their roster. They're not going to be better this year because of this trade.

Not sure why we are still talking about it tbh.

This.

The Oilers just lost 2 of their best depth forwards, because they had no cap room. I would place Kostin either 6th or 7th on their forwards depth chart, depending on what you think of Foegele. And Yamamoto might be right behind him, or maybe behind Janmark. This is going to hurt them next year.

Yzerman didn't 'do them a solid', and thereby risked his own job, he acquired a pretty good forward, for the cost of a small cap hit (which won't impact Detroit in the slightest).

[Reggie Dunlop]

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Nobody is offended, it was just funny watching you go from offering to explain the word “could” to showing you didn’t really have a grasp on any of this stuff. I mean, it’s pretty clear why I brought up Tkachuk (used as a reference point for how things can change in a year) that I don’t think the majority would need it explained.

There’s no Oilers propaganda in this situation, there’s no grand conspiracy. It’s going to be OK. Take a lap and enjoy the no-goodness of Edmonton. Everything is OK.

Right. No one asked you to explain anything, especially Tkachuk. But on you go, again & again & again. Thanks for setting us all straight that favours aren’t exchanged in business, especially with your beloved Oilers.. If only I could get a grasp on that.

Just move on. Don’t you have 5 other forums and 3 other arguments to engage in today to meet your posting history quota and reputation?

[Ford Prefect]

Stop cluttering up E=NG with a personal pissing match!! Keep on topic. I didn’t come here to have to scroll through a flame war.

What’s the best thing to ever come out of Edmonton? Calgary Trail. Budda-boom.