07-03-2023, 06:22 PM
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#961
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
People have exaggerated ideas about how poor they believe this roster is. If Lindholm is extended the Flames are a playoff team, and will probably be in contention for the Division.
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Considering that the roster will lose some players from last year, that is a bold statement.
I get that most expect bounce back years from pretty much everyone, especially goaltending.
I think there will be some bounce, the question is how much.
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07-03-2023, 06:25 PM
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#962
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If Lindholm comes back with no other major changes we are the 4th best team in the division, and that might be harsh to Seattle who last year earned their spot above us.
We could get lucky and have other teams get major injuries but that is no way to go into a season hoping for major luck.
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07-03-2023, 06:28 PM
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#963
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Calgary
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Lindholm isn't going anywhere, Backlund shouldn't either. They're both our core, half/half from the new/old guard.
Sign them both. Make Backlund the Captain, Lindholm the assistant. Or backwards, if that makes either happier...
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07-03-2023, 06:39 PM
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#964
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Pat Steinberg is saying he belives a 8 year extension is on the table between 8.5-9 aav.
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07-03-2023, 06:39 PM
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#965
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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07-03-2023, 06:41 PM
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#966
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The dollars aren't the issue as always it's term and the amount of no trade clauses in the NHL.
That should be on Bettman lockout list to fix because we know he's going to lock em out.
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07-03-2023, 06:52 PM
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#967
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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I have no problem paying Lindy 8.5-9m per.
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07-03-2023, 06:55 PM
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#968
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
I have no problem paying Lindy 8.5-9m per.
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It's not the money it's always the term. These are the deals being signed now hopefully a correction is coming to term.
Getting a ELC at 3 and another 3 bridge 5 year deal become 31 hit the UFA market and let Lou take care of that next 5 year deal.
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07-03-2023, 07:01 PM
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#969
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Every update we get is more bad news.
All the excitement and good feelings pre-draft is quickly getting torn away.
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07-03-2023, 07:13 PM
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#970
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Spurs
Every update we get is more bad news.
All the excitement and good feelings pre-draft is quickly getting torn away.
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You set yourself up for disappointment if you went into this believing they wanted to trade all 7 and rebuild.
They said the intention all along was to at least sign Lindholm and Hanifin.
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07-03-2023, 07:16 PM
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#971
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Pat Steinberg is saying he belives a 8 year extension is on the table between 8.5-9 aav.
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Pat is stating the ask, not the offer
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07-03-2023, 07:17 PM
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#972
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
And now that GM is where Kadri never wanted to leave
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Two birds with one stone?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
The dollars aren't the issue as always it's term and the amount of no trade clauses in the NHL.
That should be on Bettman lockout list to fix because we know he's going to lock em out.
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This I think is important. They limit the number of contracts that teams are allowed to retain salary on, they should allocate each team a fixed number of various levels of NT/NM clauses that they are allowed to use.
Where you can only have so many on any given team.
"Sorry, I'd love to give you an NMC but we've used up our allotment..."
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07-03-2023, 07:18 PM
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#973
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
You set yourself up for disappointment if you went into this believing they wanted to trade all 7 and rebuild.
They said the intention all along was to at least sign Lindholm and Hanifin.
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I knew it was a small hope but I did hope that the players were going to force it and/or the crazy idea of paying Lindholm for 8 years for anything starting with an 8 or higher would be bat #### crazy.
But you are right I should have known the team would go down the path of least success as they always do.
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07-03-2023, 07:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs
I knew it was a small hope but I did hope that the players were going to force it and/or the crazy idea of paying Lindholm for 8 years for anything starting with an 8 or higher would be bat #### crazy.
But you are right I should have known the team would go down the path of least success as they always do.
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It could be the path to success, too.
End of the day, none of us know. Might as well have hope and enjoy the team instead of getting increasingly negative.
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07-03-2023, 07:25 PM
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#975
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
Two birds with one stone?
This I think is important. They limit the number of contracts that teams are allowed to retain salary on, they should allocate each team a fixed number of various levels of NT/NM clauses that they are allowed to use.
Where you can only have so many on any given team.
"Sorry, I'd love to give you an NMC but we've used up our allotment..."
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1 per a team is enough or 1 per position.
Plus 4 year term in UFA and 5 from your own team with the own team being a able to offer more money from singing bonuses.
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07-03-2023, 07:28 PM
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#976
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
1 per a team is enough or 1 per position.
Plus 4 year term in UFA and 5 from your own team with the own team being a able to offer more money from singing bonuses.
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I dont think we want to offer hockey players bonuses for singing, I've heard some of them do their team Christmas songs and the more we can avoid that the better.
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07-03-2023, 07:31 PM
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#977
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
I dont think we want to offer hockey players bonuses for singing, I've heard some of them do their team Christmas songs and the more we can avoid that the better.
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Lol.
I meant how deals are now like the Tkachuk deal his entire contract is being paid out in annual bonuses pretty much.
Something like 90% of aav can be paid in signing bonus while UFA team is 30%.
Some monetary way to give the home team a advantage along with the 5th year.
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07-03-2023, 07:32 PM
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#978
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepsiFree
It could be the path to success, too.
End of the day, none of us know. Might as well have hope and enjoy the team instead of getting increasingly negative.
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Nope
The one thing we do know is that mediocrity is no the path to success. Rebuilding is far from a guarantee of success but sticking with mediocrity is a guarantee to not win a Cup.
If blind hope and delusion works for you great, I do not find that enjoyable or fun in any way.
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07-03-2023, 07:34 PM
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#979
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: lower mainland
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redrum
Also, "he might have some good years left," Is not a great argument before signing a gigantic EIGHT YEAR contract. And that contract wouldn't be a bargain, even in the first couple years. If he matches a career year, we will break even for that ONE year. Never mind when he can barely tie his skates in the back half.
Eight years, starting NEXT year, and the first 2 months of that will be end of his 20s. Contract won't be a bargain even when he's still good.
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Originally Posted by Redrum
"Nobody is making that argument" *proceeds to make the argument.*
He has one PPG season on a line with 2 MVP candidates. He is a 60 point player right now. What about after that 3 years, where we weren't competitive anyway?
Also, he would be the BEST of those albatross contracts. If it was just him it would be fine. But there is no longer room. Tre gave those albatross spots away. They are gone.
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I don't think calling him a 60 point player now is fair or accurate at all. He scored 64 points with the dressing room in disarray and a major lack of chemistry on the top line. Players have down years and bounce back all the time. There's enough talent on the team for him to score more than that even without Tkachuk and Gaudreau.
We don't know how he will age, but he has a very well rounded game and seems like a good candidate to play well into his mid-30's. Backlund is 5 years older and just got 56 points for a career year at 33.
If Lindholm signs, then in the back half of his contract his cap hit will be a much smaller proportion of the cap.
Like it or not, we all know the mandate is to try to remain competitive. It's awful hard to acquire number one centers. What else is the team supposed to do besides try to sign one who we know well and is apparently interested in signing?
If the latter part of his contract becomes poor value, we've seen time and time again that there are teams willing to take on albatross contracts to bail other teams out. Also, I don't see people calling his contract offer a bargain, and I don't think it's realistic to expect every contract signed to be a bargain either.
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07-03-2023, 07:35 PM
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#980
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs
Nope
The one thing we do know is that mediocrity is no the path to success. Rebuilding is far from a guarantee of success but sticking with mediocrity is a guarantee to not win a Cup.
If blind hope and delusion works for you great, I do not find that enjoyable or fun in any way.
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Well Lindholm was part of two 50 win teams 1 of which won the west in the regular season.
I wouldn't call it medicore.
It's not easy to win in the playoffs and with a different cast and better coaching they might break through.
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