2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

115 points got 10.5 no way 87 points gets you that.

His value is closer to 8.5.

Hope he sticks it to the Leafs and leaves

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by CFO

I could see something completely different.

Magapagne plus for Nylander.

If the plus is Kadri, sure.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If the plus is Kadri, sure.

Moot point, but I would do it just to get out of the contracts.

[mrdonkey]

I'd rather just keep all those assets and let Treliving figure his own way out of the corner he's backed himself into.

Zero interest in throwing that guy a life raft.

[Aarongavey]

If Brad wants snot then Kadri is snot. Flames eat 500K a year for the rest of the contract and Brad might think he is getting a deal. If the Flames were able to off Kadri to the Leafs I would still hope we would try to move Nylander for futures.

[ComixZone]

Trying to figure out how Toronto and Calgary meet up on a Nylander deal.

To Toronto:
Mikael Backlund
Adam Ruzicka
2024 1st round pick (PIT)
2025 3rd round pick (PIT)
Owen Pickering

To Calgary:
William Nylander (8 Years, $10M AAV)
TJ Brodie
Timothy Liligren

To Pittsburgh:
Noah Hanifin (Extension: 8 Years, $7M AAV)

Toronto then buys out Matt Murray, giving themselves roughly $9M in cap-space to continue building out their roster. Brodie and Liligren *seem* to be on the outs, with a Brodie buyout even being rumoured to some degree, so they're cap-dumps to Calgary. I think they're still connected to Matt Dumba (I imagine on one of their recent short term deals)

Calgary would then be loaded with defenders, and over the cap, so work would have to continue. Calgary's "reload" continues. Calgary then announces Lindholm at 8 years, $9M, and have defined their top players up front as Huberdeau - Lindholm - Nylander...

Pittsburgh gets Hanifin for roughly what was rumoured they were offering.

Crazy pills.

[bluejays]

Nylander based on Matthews or Marners numbers should be asking for what he’s worth. Truly Marner or Matthews haven’t overall contributed much to his numbers where nylander has largely been doing it on his own. But on the Leafs he’s been asked to take less twice now based on those two and at a certain point you have to cash in. So I think ultimately combined with what’s been said here where he won’t sign an extension with most of the teams he may be dealt to, he probably has a list of 5 teams where he’ll sacrifice some small salary where he really wants to go, with others where he wouldn’t mind if they’re paying him full, while a third tier probably in his no trade list.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Crazy pills indeed.

Sending out a 1st that you just got to Toronto to overpay for a winger and take back cap dumps.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Crazy pills indeed.

Sending out a 1st that you just got to Toronto to overpay for a winger and take back cap dumps.

...depends on how you view Nylander. If the Flames view 27 year old Michael Nylander as an elite 1st line RW, then they're trading a 3rd line centre (who isn't committing to an extension), a 1st pair defenceman (who isn't signing an extension), and Adam Ruzicka for William Nylander, and two depth defencemen that Toronto is aiming to dump. Maybe Toronto then goes and makes their futures for Pesce trade that the pundits seem to be speculating makes so much sense for them.

It kind of fills everyone's needs. Maybe the Flames then flip Chris Tanev to Seattle or someone for a 2nd, and then the cap falls into place for the them too.

[BrownDrake]

Nylander doesn’t get more than $9 million per year and that’s probably an overpayment by $500K ish, Meier brings more intangibles and Dubois is a centre so $9 ish high.

$10 million per is real crazy pills

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by BrownDrake

Nylander doesn’t get more than $9 million per year and that’s probably an overpayment by $500K ish, Meier brings more intangibles and Dubois is a centre so $9 ish high.

$10 million per is real crazy pills

I think we have to come to the realization that there is a Calgary tax to be paid to players to have them sign here, much like the Buffalo tax years ago (when they paid Jeff Skinner $9M).

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

...depends on how you view Nylander. If the Flames view 27 year old Michael Nylander as an elite 1st line RW, then they're trading a 3rd line centre (who isn't committing to an extension), a 1st pair defenceman (who isn't signing an extension), and Adam Ruzicka for William Nylander, and two depth defencemen that Toronto is aiming to dump.

It kind of fills everyone's needs. Maybe the Flames then flip Chris Tanev to Seattle or someone for a 2nd, and then the cap falls into place for the them too.

I don't view him as a player worth Backlund, Hanifin and Ruzicka.

I'd rather focus on getting younger players and picks back and build the team up the middle and not the wings.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I don't view him as a player worth Backlund, Hanifin and Ruzicka.

I'd rather focus on getting younger players and picks back and build the team up the middle and not the wings.

Yeah, that's you though - and I also think the Flames should be rebuilding.

I don't think they will though. So how can they make a trade to get younger and take the team in a new direction?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

...depends on how you view Nylander. If the Flames view 27 year old Michael Nylander as an elite 1st line RW, then they're trading a 3rd line centre (who isn't committing to an extension), a 1st pair defenceman (who isn't signing an extension), and Adam Ruzicka for William Nylander, and two depth defencemen that Toronto is aiming to dump. Maybe Toronto then goes and makes their futures for Pesce trade that the pundits seem to be speculating makes so much sense for them.

It kind of fills everyone's needs. Maybe the Flames then flip Chris Tanev to Seattle or someone for a 2nd, and then the cap falls into place for the them too.

40% of your cap next year tied into Nylander, Lindholm, Huberdeau and Kadri with all those guys aging. That is not a good enough forward core to contend for a Cup in 2024 let alone 2029.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

40% of your cap next year tied into Nylander, Lindholm, Huberdeau and Kadri with all those guys aging. That is not a good enough forward core to contend for a Cup in 2024 let alone 2029.

I don't disagree, but I'd expect that the Flames do. They seem to believe a core built with Lindholm, Huberdeau, Weegar, and Andersson as key cogs is good enough.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, that's you though - and I also think the Flames should be rebuilding.

I don't think they will though. So how can they make a trade to get younger and take the team in a new direction?

The Toffoli trade should be a good indicator of what they are trying to do.

Replace the player with a younger guy with upside and get some picks back.

[Vinny01]

Kadri+Wolf for Nylander. That is the only way I want Nylander and the only way I would agree to send Wolf.

The only way I would want Nylander and give him a huge money long term deal is if Kadri was dumped.

Unrealistic but it does fit the mold that Treliving is trying to build. We could take it a step further and include Zadorov and Brodie.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Kadri+Wolf for Nylander. That is the only way I want Nylander and the only way I would agree to send Wolf.

The only way I would want Nylander and give him a huge money long term deal is if Kadri was dumped.

Unrealistic but it does fit the mold that Treliving is trying to build. We could take it a step further and include Zadorov and Brodie.

And then flip Nylander for futures.

There is no way trading for and signing Nylander makes sense.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Spurs

And then flip Nylander for futures.

There is no way trading for and signing Nylander makes sense.

There is no way it makes sense to trade the future of franchise for Nylander only to flip him for prospects when we aren't even getting real offers for our existing players.

Wolf's name should be removed from any talk he isn't going anywhere.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

You make it sound like they have a super good GM that cannot be talked into thinking Kadri is a stud.

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

40% of your cap next year tied into Nylander, Lindholm, Huberdeau and Kadri with all those guys aging. That is not a good enough forward core to contend for a Cup in 2024 let alone 2029.

This..., If we hitch our wagonn to another expensive contract and they play poorly we are to be handcuffed. I think acquiring Nylander is falling into the Treliving way of overpaying entitlment players that quit when they get here rather than earn their contracts. Heck we don't even know if Huberdeau has the ability to drive the team bus and get them moving forward or if he is just a complementary player. Let's say we bring Nylander in and he wants to be "that guy" suddenly egos are clashing and the teams not getting along. I would rather wait, see if this team is serious about competing before adding players or we might be wasting long term goals for a new set of handcuffs.