2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

You have to be cap compliant at the start of the season. You can't start with guys in the LTIR.

You can if the player was on LTIR at the end of the previous season.

[Aarongavey]

Wolf, a first and another prospect like Ruzicka for a 28 year old winger when the Flames are nowhere near competing for a Stanley Cup would be peak Flames. Not a bad package for Treliving if he can pull it off, pick should be between 12-16. Hoping the Flames take a hard pass if they are being asked for a futures package like that.

Off-season ends up being Bertuzzi, Domi, Wolf, 1st and a prospect for Nylander more or less.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Sec214

We can safely assume futures are not available in Calgary.

Another thing effecting flames is what is that cap number next year. Calgary has modelling with anywhere from 3-8+ on the total cap next year.

Thank God.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Asset management would be hanging onto Wolf until you know what you have in Sergeev, who is also very promising.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Wolf, a first and another prospect like Ruzicka for a 28 year old winger when the Flames are nowhere near competing for a Stanley Cup would be peak Flames. Not a bad package for Treliving if he can pull it off, pick should be between 12-16. Hoping the Flames take a hard pass if they are being asked for a futures package like that.

Off-season ends up being Bertuzzi, Domi, Wolf, 1st and a prospect for Nylander more or less.

I wouldn't buy into that math considering you also have to take account for who they walked away from. Namely Holl, O'Reilly, potentially Giordano, etc., etc.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by JTech780

If Conroy pulls off a Nylander trade with an extension, I would have to think Lindholm is all but gone. Not sure how you can fit both extensions in.

I would assume that Lindholm your be kept, and they'd try to move Backlund, Hanifin, and Tanev.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I wouldn't buy into that math considering you also have to take account for who they walked away from. Namely Holl, O'Reilly, potentially Giordano, etc., etc.

Well Holl leaving is a net positive, Klingberg sucks though so it might be worse between the two of them. The Flames should not be trading futures for Nylander IMO.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Honestly Pickle, teams that were calling before are not calling as much as before the buyout window. It got really interesting before FA with some of the names becoming available. 100% changed the market.

Teams are coming in screaming hot with low ball offers or trying to get organizational pieces that are just not available which appears to be along the lines of what Dissentowner was posting. kudo's to him.

We just have to continue to hope things change but our dance partners are limited.

Like ####. Organization is truly cursed. Things are looking good with a poor free agent class and it gets blown out of the water with all these rfas not qualified. Good on Conny for getting what he could for Toffoli but man, this really sucks as a fan.

All the talk that we were going to get a haul for hanifin has not come to pass. Karlsson being in play has further weakened our position, unless the runner up attaches some value to hanifin. I get we weren’t getting a haul for tanev and zadorov and I’m ok running them back. But damn, hard to believe no market for backs or hanifin. Hopefully that changes but only having hope to rely on doesn’t inspire confidence that the market will shift in our favour.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by blankall

I would assume that Lindholm your be kept, and they'd try to move Backlund, Hanifin, and Tanev.

That’s great for next year, but the year after when Nylander and Lindholm’s extensions would kick in is the problem. Assuming both extensions start with a 9 just don’t see a way for the numbers to work.

[Aarongavey]

I would be fine with a flyer on Zadina, but in general I would prefer a team that tried to trade their existing players for youth and picks and took a bunch of flyers on 22-25 year old guys hoping a few hit. Worried the approach is to try to find more established guys and try to fight Seattle/jets/Preds/Canucks for a wildcard spot to be able to play Vegas or Colorado in the first round.

[traptor]

Would be such a flames thing to do.

Give up their top prosect++ to overpay a pending UFA after missing the playoffs.

Read the league.

RFAs with upside are the most valued pieces and it's not even close.
Pending UFAs and older players have been going for pennies on the dollar.

Wolf + 1st + x is an instant no go for me. This organization needs to stop spending futures/young players for older players.

Something around hanifin+ for nylander, sure.

[JTech780]

Nylander is a very good player and his numbers will probably take a jump if he goes somewhere where he is more of a main offensive weapon. That being said, I would prefer not to blow the cap on wingers. You have to build down the middle and that’s where your cap should be used.

[bluejays]

If picks are the target, then you just hold onto anyone with significant value until the trade deadline. I really hope they simply hold on if the value isn't there. I'm shocked Hanifin and Lindholm's trade values haven't been there as I thought all the signs align for it to do so, but hold on until the deadline where teams scramble. While they won't get a lottery pick, it still can't be worse than what's been proposed now.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The team has very little flexibility. If Lindholm is signed half the cap is going to be devoted to 6 players, none of which seem to be elite and none of which are young. So in order to improve the team, you likely can't sign anyone due to cap constraints. You're likely not a destination any top free agent wants to come to anyways. The prospects you do have on the way are not blue chippers. You can build through the draft but that likely takes several years at a minimum (especially when you have mid round picks), at which point any boost you

might get from your young guys is offset by the decline in your older guys. It's nice to talk about getting younger but based on the make up of your team currently, I think your best case scenario is a middle of the pack team.

Agreed. This is the wrong core to build around I think having 1 overpaid in Huberdeau is fine but too much money is being invested in the wrong players.

I think a trade to mortgage the future os the wrong direction and is just falling into Trelivings style of handicapping the team. Conroy is going to find himself with little flexibily if he banks on filling holes with overpriced players with term at this point.

Treliving has backed himself into a corner with his patented it moves. I'd say leave him let him make a bigger mess then come back when he is the one dealing from a position of weakness. He is trying to take advantage of the mess he left the Flames with.

[Sec214]

If your Toronto you only move him because of two reasons cap compliancy or the player demand is too high.

Priority will always be Matthews $$ before Nylander.

It's a Risky deal for Toronto as they aren't going to get the value that fanbase wants. Tre is swinging for it however Nylander will walk to free agency on 80% of the teams he gets traded too.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Sec214

If your Toronto you only move him because of two reasons cap compliancy or the player demand is too high.

Priority will always be Matthews $$ before Nylander.

It's a Risky deal for Toronto as they aren't going to get the value that fanbase wants. Tre is swinging for it however Nylander will walk to free agency on 80% of the teams he gets traded too.

If this is true that's a huge issue. What you're saying is he's unwilling to sign with most teams. I assumed with whatever team he gets traded to he would sign an extension. If he's not willing to he's worth very little IMO.

[Major Major]

Just like all of these expiring deals... If you're the player, why sign a deal now under current cap conditions when you can sign a deal when there is 200+ million extra dollars out there?

[Mr.Coffee]

sounds like a pretty brutal situation for Treliving and he's going to be blamed for squandering value on Nylander ultimately and eventually.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Like ####. Organization is truly cursed. Things are looking good with a poor free agent class and it gets blown out of the water with all these rfas not qualified. Good on Conny for getting what he could for Toffoli but man, this really sucks as a fan.

All the talk that we were going to get a haul for hanifin has not come to pass. Karlsson being in play has further weakened our position, unless the runner up attaches some value to hanifin. I get we weren’t getting a haul for tanev and zadorov and I’m ok running them back. But damn, hard to believe no market for backs or hanifin. Hopefully that changes but only having hope to rely on doesn’t inspire confidence that the market will shift in our favour.

I agree. I would also add that not knowing what lindholm is doing didn’t help. I’m in favour of signing him but IMO they had to put a deadline on it. I get the market is crap right now but I think lindholm would have been an acceptation to the case. Being a top line center he would have been wanted. The only real hockey trade was PLD to kings. Lots of teams have pivoted already.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The NHL needs to start setting the cap earlier like other leagues it's getting ridiculous.