I could never do it because I dont have an irrational burning desire to impress people I couldnt care less about.
I think the Titanic is super cool. I like the Titanic museums and the 4k ROV footage is plenty good for me.
Am I going to climb Everest? No. Because I dont want to. It looks like a miserable experience.
I'm fine with Egyptian Archeology. I like the concept of displaying this culture in a museum so average people can see and learn about it, I love museums, sure there are some ethical questions at play, but nothing's perfect.
Its not really 'Grave Robbing' because its for the purpose of knowledge, understanding and education. Its not like they find all this cool stuff and just keep it for themselves (anymore).
I dont have to go into the damned burial site or anything...the museum is just fine for my purposes.
You haven't lived until you've inhaled the stale, dead air inside a tomb in the Valley of the Kings. Or died. Maybe you died to get there.
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I don't know, i could never do that trip not only because I am claustrophobic but mainly because personally I find it disrespectful. It was a major tragedy that saw so many people perish, it is basically a giant graveyard. It is like when archeologists open up Egyptian tombs and sarcophagus, it seems so disrespectful to me. I mean how is that not essentially grave robbing?
IDK people have died everywhere
highways
hospitals
race tracks
parks
lakes
mountains
homes
ect.
some of the titanic video Cameron has shot is amazing
I don't know, i could never do that trip not only because I am claustrophobic but mainly because personally I find it disrespectful. It was a major tragedy that saw so many people perish, it is basically a giant graveyard. It is like when archeologists open up Egyptian tombs and sarcophagus, it seems so disrespectful to me. I mean how is that not essentially grave robbing?
Lots of older cemetery's are tourist attractions and get millions of visitors a year, there's one in Manhattan that's so popular they have guided tours for $20.00, Ironically Titanic's John Jacob Astor is buried there.
Also, Titanic isn't much of a gravesite, there isn't even a molecule left from a human body.
How you think billionaires are and how they really are are probably two pretty different things.
Actually...I very sincerely doubt it.
I'm sure theres a range because all people are different, but they call themselves 'explorers.'
Hate to break it to you, but you ain't exploring jack. You're going on a theme-park ride because a real explorer who had to scrape up donations already found the thing.
You climbed Mt. Everest because you're an adventurer? A mountaineer? Because you could pay 20 sherpas to haul your ass up there, carry all your crap, set up your camps and cook all your meals?
Sure.
There is 1 reason and 1 reason only these people do this. Bragging rights.
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Lots of older cemetery's are tourist attractions and get millions of visitors a year, there's one in Manhattan that's so popular they have guided tours for $20.00, Ironically Titanic's John Jacob Astor is buried there.
Also, Titanic isn't much of a gravesite, there isn't even a molecule left from a human body.
Why do you assume that? I would guess the body of anyone who was trapped inside would still be there. Presumably the bones would still be around.
Why do you assume that? I would guess the body of anyone who was trapped inside would still be there. Presumably the bones would still be around.
They've never actually ever found any body associated with the wreck.
The things that like to eat bones don't discriminate between human and sea-life. There were likely no bodies left after the first year, much less this long after the wreck.
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I was thinking in sealed off compartments, like rooms, or deep in the ship. Ah, this article kinda agrees and presents both sides.
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Decomposition slows if bodies get cut off from the open sea, reducing oxygen levels and scavengers. The interiors of old wrecks have thus yielded bones, teeth and sometimes whole bodies.
“It’s totally dependent on where they were,” said Tom Dettweiler, a veteran sea explorer who helped find the Titanic’s resting place. “In modern wrecks, you can get microenvironments that preserve bodies.”
For the Titanic, the oxygen factor means scavengers long ago feasted on nearby corpses. But — in theory, at least — bodies in undamaged areas of the hull would be less vulnerable if sealed off from currents and oxygen.
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One expedition found what appeared to be a wedding band and part of a human finger while probing a debris field, according to a new book, “Farewell, Titanic.” It says the explorers quickly decided to rebury the grim find and declare the area off limits.
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Other Titanic experts — including Robert D. Ballard, a discoverer of the wreck who has long advocated its protection — echo federal officials and call it possible and perhaps likely that human remains lie intact in unexplored compartments.
“I would not be surprised if highly preserved bodies were found in the engine room,” he said. “That was deep inside the ship.”
More detailed information about the engineer who wouldn't sign off on the sub and tried to raise alarm bells. It sounds like Stockton Rush ended up burying him in legal fees for his efforts. I hope he is able to recover those costs from Rush's estate somehow.
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On January 18, 2018, Lochridge studied each major component, and found several critical aspects to be defective or unproven. He drafted a detailed report, which has not previously been made public, and attached photographs of the elements of greatest concern. Glue was coming away from the seams of ballast bags, and mounting bolts threatened to rupture them; both sealing faces had errant plunge holes and O-ring grooves that deviated from standard design parameters. The exostructure and electrical pods used different metals, which could result in galvanic corrosion when exposed to seawater. The thruster cables posed “snagging hazards”; the iridium satellite beacon, to transmit the submersible’s position after surfacing, was attached with zip ties. The flooring was highly flammable; the interior vinyl wrapping emitted “highly toxic gasses upon ignition.”
To assess the carbon-fibre hull, Lochridge examined a small cross-section of material. He found that it had “very visible signs of delamination and porosity”—it seemed possible that, after repeated dives, it would come apart. He shone a light at the sample from behind, and photographed beams streaming through splits in the midsection in a disturbing, irregular pattern. The only safe way to dive, Lochridge concluded, was to first carry out a full scan of the hull.
Kind of surprised this has got to 44 pages given it's pretty well a common sense story of why we have safety standards for vessels carrying people beneath the sea. You have to think Rush was getting a major adrenaline rush from cheating death by ignoring the warnings and conclusions that his sub was not safe for the depths he planned to venture. The unfortunate thing is that he had to take four others with him to their death but at the same time it appears if one did enough digging they would find enough evidence to give them pause to putting their lives on the line to fuel another man's ego.
