[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Locke

I mean...he was ~1000 points shy, but I suppose he was technically still a runner-up.

If Lindholm was playing out East I bet the voting would have been a lot closer.

[Roof-Daddy]

I'm as frustrated as any Flames fan that the Flames always seem to be stuck in the middle, but getting rid of Lindholm isn't how you get out of that rut.

If the Flames aren't blowing it up and rebuilding, and they want to compete, then extending Lindholm is very important as long as it isn't a cap crippling contract.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm as frustrated as any Flames fan that the Flames always seem to be stuck in the middle, but getting rid of Lindholm isn't how you get out of that rut.

If the Flames aren't blowing it up and rebuilding, and they want to compete, then extending Lindholm is very important as long as it isn't a cap crippling contract.

Totally agree.

I don't even think a rebuild is out of the question either. In his free agency presser yesterday, Conroy said something to the effect of the direction will depend on how some things go. If Lindholm and Backlund don't re-sign, the team is somewhat forced into a rebuild of sorts. It probably wouldn't be a scorched earth/blow it all up because we likely won't be able to move Markstrom, Kadri, Huberdeau. But the veterans who do get moved will be for futures, even if it's more focused on younger roster players like the Toffolli deal. I think if we go into the season with some upcoming UFAs like Tanev and Zadorov, they'll be moved mostly for draft picks at the deadline.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by Stampede2TheCup

Totally agree.

I don't even think a rebuild is out of the question either. In his free agency presser yesterday, Conroy said something to the effect of the direction will depend on how some things go. If Lindholm and Backlund don't re-sign, the team is somewhat forced into a rebuild of sorts. It probably wouldn't be a scorched earth/blow it all up because we likely won't be able to move Markstrom, Kadri, Huberdeau. But the veterans who do get moved will be for futures, even if it's more focused on younger roster players like the Toffolli deal. I think if we go into the season with some upcoming UFAs like Tanev and Zadorov, they'll be moved mostly for draft picks at the deadline.

If I was GMCC I would see if I could move Lindstrom to Buffalo for Middlestat and Jorkiharju from the Sabres. Backlund I would look at draft pick(s) only and hope to move Hanifin for a young forward and a couple picks. This would allow them to move towards a younger group and give some of the kids a chance to move up.

If he had to retain 30% on Backlund that would probably make it easier to move him also. JUST DO NOT TRADE ANY DRAFT PICKS YOURSELF!

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm as frustrated as any Flames fan that the Flames always seem to be stuck in the middle, but getting rid of Lindholm isn't how you get out of that rut.

If the Flames aren't blowing it up and rebuilding, and they want to compete, then extending Lindholm is very important as long as it isn't a cap crippling contract.

My concern, even if they resign Lindholm, I am sure not the Flames are a playoff team.

They don't have the depth or the scoring.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm as frustrated as any Flames fan that the Flames always seem to be stuck in the middle, but getting rid of Lindholm isn't how you get out of that rut.

If the Flames aren't blowing it up and rebuilding, and they want to compete, then extending Lindholm is very important as long as it isn't a cap crippling contract.

Agreed 100. Lindholm is our most important forward. I don't think re-signing him would be seen as an issue if we didn't have two other huge contracts on the books for aging forwards. We're clearly still going after the playoffs, so we need to stay strong up the middle.

[heep223]

I love Lindholm but I think you have to figure out a way to trade him for a package of futures. We can’t have another $8M or whatever tied up in another aging player who will be very shortly past his prime if not already. It sucks but it’s that simple for me. If we didn’t have Kadri on what will probably become one of worst contracts in the league I’d feel differently

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by heep223

I love Lindholm but I think you have to figure out a way to trade him for a package of futures. We can’t have another $8M or whatever tied up in another aging player who will be very shortly past his prime if not already. It sucks but it’s that simple for me. If we didn’t have Kadri on what will probably become one of worst contracts in the league I’d feel differently

He is nowhere near past his prime.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by flambers

My concern, even if they resign Lindholm, I am sure not the Flames are a playoff team.

They don't have the depth or the scoring.

And this is sort of my point. Going back, once again, Lindholm is an excellent player and seemingly an awesome guy. But if we're not making the playoffs with or without him, it doesnt make much sense to lock him up for 8 years when only 3 or 4 might be of actual value in conjunction with the rest of our already long contracts for ageing players.

I agree that players like Lindholm dont come around often, and I also agree that it is highly unlikely that we'd be able to replace him either via UFA or drafting with a player of equal or greater talent.

But if we're going to be an old, underachieving, mediocre team, we dont have to also be a cap-strapped one.

In a perfect world? If we'd just left Kadri alone and never brought him in and had that on our books I'd be a lot more lenient in my opinion of re-signing Lindholm.

But at the moment, its just too much for too long for players who are getting too old and not producing on-ice value and results for their contracts.

We could give Lindholm 8x$9...what does it matter if we're still just running on the treadmill and not getting anywhere?

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm as frustrated as any Flames fan that the Flames always seem to be stuck in the middle, but getting rid of Lindholm isn't how you get out of that rut.

If the Flames aren't blowing it up and rebuilding, and they want to compete, then extending Lindholm is very important as long as it isn't a cap crippling contract.

If we're on the downswing, it might make it a lot harder to get out of a rut in a few years. I guess it depends which way you think we are trending...

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He is nowhere near past his prime.

It doesnt matter!

Thats the point! He isnt past his prime, but 'Prime Lindholm' for the next, what, 3-4 years? Still isnt good enough considering the rest of the makeup of the team.

He could post some 100 point seasons and if we dont make the playoffs or make some noise then nothing has changed and we're still saddled with his contract when he is past his prime.

If you give him 8 years at least half of those will be 'sub-prime.'

Or...we try something different.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

It doesnt matter!

Thats the point! He isnt past his prime, but 'Prime Lindholm' for the next, what, 3-4 years? Still isnt good enough considering the rest of the makeup of the team.

He could post some 100 point seasons and if we dont make the playoffs or make some noise then nothing has changed and we're still saddled with his contract when he is past his prime.

If you give him 8 years at least half of those will be 'sub-prime.'

Or...we try something different.

He probably stays in his prime through 35 based on the way he plays. Similar to Backlund and also has the benefit of being Swedish.

They’ll make some noise. People are still overreacting to a bad season. They aren’t far.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

He probably stays in his prime through 35 based on the way he plays. Similar to Backlund and also has the benefit of being Swedish.

They’ll make some noise. People are still overreacting to a bad season. They aren’t far.

We traded away our top Goal Scorer with no replacement on the horizon.

One of our top 4 defencemen has one foot out the door.

Backlund is a year older and undecided about staying.

To call our Goaltending 'suspect as hell' is an understatement and an insult to suspects everywhere.

I am not nearly as optimistic.

The current make-up of this team is significantly worse than that of the team that already missed the playoffs.

[Redrum]

I don't think it matters how good he is now, unless you think he's the guy that makes us competitive now. If you make this signing, this is basically our top group for almost the next decade. Also may affect our ability to keep breakout players down the road.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

We traded away our top Goal Scorer with no replacement on the horizon.

One of our top 4 defencemen has one foot out the door.

Backlund is a year older and undecided about staying.

To call our Goaltending 'suspect as hell' is an understatement and an insult to suspects everywhere.

I am not nearly as optimistic.

The current make-up of this team is significantly worse than that of the team that already missed the playoffs.

Players just returning to career averages replace his offence alone, let’s not pretend Toffoli is irreplaceable.

Our top 4 defenceman is signed for another year and one we were missing last year is coming back.

Backlund is still here until he isn’t.

We added Sharangovich and will see what Honzek and Coronato and Wolf do over the next couple years.

The Flames aren’t rebuilding. Does Lindholm give you a better shot at the playoffs? If the answer is yes, you sign him.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Players just returning to career averages replace his offence alone, let’s not pretend Toffoli is irreplaceable.

Our top 4 defenceman is signed for another year and one we were missing last year is coming back.

Backlund is still here until he isn’t.

We added Sharangovich and will see what Honzek and Coronato and Wolf do over the next couple years.

The Flames aren’t rebuilding. Does Lindholm give you a better shot at the playoffs? If the answer is yes, you sign him.

I don't always agree with you on the off-topic forum, but when it comes to the Flames I think you're right on the ball. 😂

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Players just returning to career averages replace his offence alone, let’s not pretend Toffoli is irreplaceable.

Our top 4 defenceman is signed for another year and one we were missing last year is coming back.

Backlund is still here until he isn’t.

We added Sharangovich and will see what Honzek and Coronato and Wolf do over the next couple years.

The Flames aren’t rebuilding. Does Lindholm give you a better shot at the playoffs? If the answer is yes, you sign him.

Well if Zadorov goes back to his career average and Rasmus goes back to his career average we will be down another 14 goals or so. Backlund and Coleman had career years last year for points and were both above their average for goals over the past 4 years. Kadri was slightly above his expected goals over 82 games last year.

A lot of heavy lifting for Mangiapane and Huberdeau, the two guys that were below they career averages to pick up in terms of goals lost from Toffoli and possible goals lost if Zadorov, Rasmus, Backlund and Coleman drop closer to their averages over the past 5 seasons.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I don't always agree with you on the off-topic forum, but when it comes to the Flames I think you're right on the ball. ��

Yep, this is what our team is. Getting weaker every year, but still going for it. But if that's how we operate then it's probably best to hope for signings to be slightly better than mediocre as opposed to mediocre. Man, the life of a Flames fan, lol.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yep, this is what our team is. Getting weaker every year, but still going for it. But if that's how we operate then it's probably best to hope for signings to be slightly better than mediocre as opposed to mediocre. Man, the life of a Flames fan, lol.

I always wondered how "Rickies", The White Spot or Smitty's had their franchises survive the past 10yrs...or a voter in the US not making $250k / yr would vote for the Red team.

Then the last few years the emergence of the "accept it" we're not rebuilding Flames Fan emerged.

I guess you can get used to anything.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well if Zadorov goes back to his career average and Rasmus goes back to his career average we will be down another 14 goals or so. Backlund and Coleman had career years last year for points and were both above their average for goals over the past 4 years. Kadri was slightly above his expected goals over 82 games last year.

A lot of heavy lifting for Mangiapane and Huberdeau, the two guys that were below they career averages to pick up in terms of goals lost from Toffoli and possible goals lost if Zadorov, Rasmus, Backlund and Coleman drop closer to their averages over the past 5 seasons.

Other guys will have career years, other guys will have drop offs.

Just how it goes, but when your top performers are struggling it’s a pretty big impact and I think it’d be pretty foolish to write off Huberdeau.