Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Is this just Google not using something like a CBC article in their Google News feed? I can't imagine they would de-index from search, right? If so I don't really see the issue.

Links to articles are supposed to be gone from search, news and discover products from Google. From what I understand Canadians won't see Canadian news content when using Google at all.

[Fuzz]

Well that's dumb. I can see not in their News apps that scrape content, but search? I presume that's not also a requirement, but a petty retort? Or is the bill that dumb?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well that's dumb. I can see not in their News apps that scrape content, but search? I presume that's not also a requirement, but a petty retort? Or is the bill that dumb?

Seems like Google and the Government are treating it like a game with each other, as apparently they’re negotiating despite the public proclamations.

If it held though, I don’t see it being as big as it sounds. How many people are getting their general news through Google? It’s primarily used to search a piece of news you’re already looking for, in which case there could be little difference between CNN and CTV.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If it held though, I don’t see it being as big as it sounds. How many people are getting their general news through Google? It’s primarily used to search a piece of news you’re already looking for, in which case there could be little difference between CNN and CTV.

I liked to scroll through the google personalized news feed on my phone since it was built into the home screen and web browser, but honestly if it went away, I'd just replace it with a different one and not even notice

[Fuzz]

I'm still using RSS feeds through Feedly, and it's so much better than any other option I have no idea why you'd have an algorithm curate your news sources over picking them yourself.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well that's dumb. I can see not in their News apps that scrape content, but search? I presume that's not also a requirement, but a petty retort? Or is the bill that dumb?

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/e...8/royal-assent

digital news intermediary means an online communications platform, including a search engine or social media service, that is subject to the legislative authority of Parliament and that makes news content produced by news outlets available to persons in Canada. It does not include an online communications platform that is a messaging service the primary purpose of which is to allow persons to communicate with each other privately.# (intermédiaire de nouvelles numériques)

As written it does not make a distinction between linking a news article, sharing a news article, or scraping a news article.

The only exception is if Google or Meta is doing a broadcast or reporting themselves, where they can report on the media outlets without compensation required.

The Facebook angle seems even more egregious to me as the media outlets are active participants. A media outlet creates a Facebook account, posts their news and a link to their main site on that said Facebook account, Meta through their algorithm shares this news as a post to millions of Facebook users which is basically free publicity as users need to click the link to see the article, generating ad revenue or subscription revenue to media outlets. This law forces Meta to pay for the privilege of news outlets using Facebook to advertise themselves. Why would they show this post when they are a private company and get nothing of value back and now have to pay for media outlets choosing to be on their platform?

The best part is it's specifically designed to target Meta and Google with its wordings using market share as a metric, while likely leaving search engines like Bing intact.

Canadians needs to stay more informed and understand past political lines the effects of punitive regulatory bills like C-18, C-11 that are now law. These have direct real day to day repercussions with no discernable benefits to Canadian citizens.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Seems like Google and the Government are treating it like a game with each other, as apparently they’re negotiating despite the public proclamations.

If it held though, I don’t see it being as big as it sounds. How many people are getting their general news through Google? It’s primarily used to search a piece of news you’re already looking for, in which case there could be little difference between CNN and CTV.

If I’m looking for local news, CNN is not going to cover anything.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Firebot

The best part is it's specifically designed to target Meta and Google with its wordings using market share as a metric, while likely leaving search engines like Bing intact.

Canadians needs to stay more informed and understand past political lines the effects of punitive regulatory bills like C-18, C-11 that are now law. These have direct real day to day repercussions with no discernable benefits to Canadian citizens.

If this gains traction and survived I have no doubt that the scope will increase beyond Google/Meta and filter down to other major social media like Twitter and Reddit, whatever Apple has and others. It won't make sense to target only a portion of the "problem."

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

If I’m looking for local news, CNN is not going to cover anything.

So, use Bing, or Duckduckgo, or even just go to your local news outlet's website and take a look there.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

If I’m looking for local news, CNN is not going to cover anything.

I assume you would look on local news sites for local news.

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

If this gains traction and survived I have no doubt that the scope will increase beyond Google/Meta and filter down to other major social media like Twitter and Reddit, whatever Apple has and others. It won't make sense to target only a portion of the "problem."

The wording is specifically designed the way it is because they don’t view something like Reddit as the problem (whether you agree or disagree with it). Considering they’re in conversation with Google as we speak, chances are that the scope reduces.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I assume you would look on local news sites for local news.



The wording is specifically designed the way it is because they don’t view something like Reddit as the problem (whether you agree or disagree with it). Considering they’re in conversation with Google as we speak, chances are that the scope reduces.

Reddit may be a grey area as the bill excludes messaging (communication) platforms that are private between individuals (things like WhatsApp.) I don't necessarily know if Reddit fits that description as it is an open platform.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1674588153137487876

[JohnnyB]

I dislike Chrystia Freeland, but who cares that she said "um, look..."

It doesn't matter at all. There is nothing worth commenting on in that. It's not worth sharing.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

I dislike Chrystia Freeland, but who cares that she said "um, look..."

It doesn't matter at all. There is nothing worth commenting on in that. It's not worth sharing.

Liberals went all in with a 7-2 hand will be fun to watch the back tracking.

[PeteMoss]

When this all gets resolved - will everyone up in arms come back and say 'wow I over-reacted over that'.

This is playing out exactly the same way its played out other places. It will end up in the same spot as well.

All the anti-Libs will be able to say that Trudeau caved and his reputation and that of the country as well. Win-win.

[iggy_oi]

“Siri open up CTV News’ website”

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I assume you would look on local news sites for local news.



The wording is specifically designed the way it is because they don’t view something like Reddit as the problem (whether you agree or disagree with it). Considering they’re in conversation with Google as we speak, chances are that the scope reduces.

Unfortunately, for me, when there is breaking local news, I sometimes need to quickly search to see who is covering it, and quickly read all the articles.

Best way to find those articles is google search. There is nothing better than that. Maybe other search engines, but they suck compared to google.

In the scenario I am talking about, I can’t just search through 10 or 20 different news feeds to see if they are covering the story or not.

[PepsiFree]

For a news item, basically any half-reputable search item would be completely sufficient.

It's going to be moot point anyway. This hasn't taken effect and I would be genuinely shocked if Google and the Government don't get over themselves and figure it out shortly.

[chemgear]

If you can't beat the fraud, join the fraud. Man if 1% of these people a trying the cheat the system they are supposed to uphold, it's gotta be like what? 10% of the general population?

(Also, a friday evening announcement lol. On a long weekend.)


https://calgarysun.com/news/canada/c...-at-tax-agency


CRA fires 20 employees, investigating hundreds more for claiming CERB while working for tax agency

Late Friday evening, a spokesperson confirmed the organization was investigating 600 of its workers it suspects 'inappropriately' received the $2000-per-month CERB

[Locke]

Originally Posted by chemgear

If you can't beat the fraud, join the fraud. Man if 1% of these people a trying the cheat the system they are supposed to uphold, it's gotta be like what? 10% of the general population?

(Also, a friday evening announcement lol. On a long weekend.)


https://calgarysun.com/news/canada/c...-at-tax-agency


CRA fires 20 employees, investigating hundreds more for claiming CERB while working for tax agency

Late Friday evening, a spokesperson confirmed the organization was investigating 600 of its workers it suspects 'inappropriately' received the $2000-per-month CERB

CRA Employees? Doesnt surprise me one bit.

And then they went on strike for even more money.

That is an organization that needs to be burnt to the ground and the have the Earth Salted.

Just this week I dealt with some CRA auditors who have to be among the dumbest people I've ever spoken with.