Teachers are at the end of their rope.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Where's that Jim Carrey "who are you talking to?" gif when you need it.



I mean sorry let me back up. Totally man. Good points. It's exactly like how in this very thread all those people complaining about plumbers. Exact same thing.

Fyi - The 2nd post was a response to someone who responded to my 1st post.

The 1st post was just my usual brilliance.

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by Spurs

LOL

I know a hell of a lot more than you with much less extreme opinions.

You don't get the extra pay unless you have a proper Masters degree, so if U of C label their degree a masters but it isn't an actual masters degree teachers don't get to max out their pay.

Masters of teaching is not the standard issue qualification.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that you are incorrect.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

I can tell you with 100% certainty that you are incorrect.

I can tell you with absolute certainty I am not.

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I can tell you with absolute certainty I am not.

I don’t think you understand. But I won’t go back and forth with you. I just don’t know how you can be so sure about something that simply isn’t the case.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

I don’t think you understand. But I won’t go back and forth with you. I just don’t know how you can be so sure about something that simply isn’t the case.

I understand fully and when you are 100% wrong, I understand why you won't want to go back and forth with me.

The salary is based on your years of post secondary schooling as determined by the TQS (Teaching Qualification Service) evaluating your post secondary credits and determining your years of schooling. It isn't determined by the title of the degree you are handed. If you go to post secondary for 4 years and get what the University calls a Master of Teaching you don't get credit for 6 years of school.

You can try and claim this isn't true all you want, but it factually is. Your claims can't change fact.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I can tell you with absolute certainty I am not.

If you know someone who isn't getting paid for post secondary as a teacher in Alberta you should have them apply to TQS for reconsideration.

The link is here: https://teachers.ab.ca/pay-and-benef...ations-service

Conveniently on that same page is a link to a pdf document, the requirements in section 12.0 say that any liberal arts, science, or education program automatically qualifies, then 12.1 says that anything equivalent to those qualifies, and 12.2 says the TQS can accept anything they want.

I know a teacher who took night culinary classes at SAIT and got them counted. Any university level education should absolutely qualify, it explicitly includes all sorts of things.

Edited to add: it really seemed like you were saying only a masters of education counted for the extra 2 years, when in fact any post secondary works. As an example, anyone with a 4 year undergrad plus a 2 year master of teaching would get the total 6 years education level, even though that 2 year degree is a base level certification.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

. If you know someone who isn't getting paid for post secondary as a teacher in Alberta you should have them apply to TQS for reconsideration.

The link is here: https://teachers.ab.ca/pay-and-benef...ations-service

Conveniently on that same page is a link to a pdf document, the requirements in section 12.0 say that any liberal arts, science, or education program automatically qualifies, then 12.1 says that anything equivalent to those qualifies, and 12.2 says the TQS can accept anything they want.

I know a teacher who took night culinary classes at SAIT and got them counted. Any university level education should absolutely qualify, it explicitly includes all sorts of things.

I am wrong but then you post information that supports my post????

Ok

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I am wrong but then you post information that supports my post????

Ok

In your opinion how many years of education would TQS give someone with a 4 year undergrad and then a 2 year masters of teaching?

I think it's possible you just expressed yourself in a confusing way and nobody actually disagrees with you...

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

In your opinion how many years of education would TQS give someone with a 4 year undergrad and then a 2 year masters of teaching?

I think it's possible you just expressed yourself in a confusing way and nobody actually disagrees with you...

Again I can't say it but if TQS determined it was 6 years of teaching they would get 6 years of teaching.

What I disagreed with was Silver saying a Masters of Education didn't exist and that it was just an undergrad handed out but teachers are given credit it for it being a Master degree.

If you get a 4 years "masters" degree you get credit for 4 years, if you get an undergrad for 4 years and a Masters of Education for another 2 years you get credit for 6.

From my experience the number of teachers, not admin that have a Masters of Education on top of their 4 year undergrad, is not high, although I will admit it does seem to be increasing lately so maybe higher going forward and maybe different in a division like CBE.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Again I can't say it but if TQS determined it was 6 years of teaching they would get 6 years of teaching.

What I disagreed with was Silver saying a Masters of Education didn't exist and that it was just an undergrad handed out but teachers are given credit it for it being a Master degree.

If you get a 4 years "masters" degree you get credit for 4 years, if you get an undergrad for 4 years and a Masters of Education for another 2 years you get credit for 6.

From my experience the number of teachers, not admin that have a Masters of Education on top of their 4 year undergrad, is not high, although I will admit it does seem to be increasing lately so maybe higher going forward and maybe different in a division like CBE.

Ah, OK, that makes sense. That's basically all just confusion, and in this case you're both right. There was a masters of teaching that was an undergrad U of C degree in education. And everyone who got it got credit for 6 years because to get in you needed a 4 year degree, and the Masters of Teaching took 2 years. I assure you TQS consistently gave those people 6 years of credit.

You are also correct, because there has always also been a Masters of Education, which is a post-grad degree historically mostly earned by those looking to enter administration.

[puckhog]

Unless I lost the thread on this debate, this all started because Spurs doubts that there are many, if any, teachers that make $100,000. It then became about how the salary grid works.

But here is the data from the CBE: https://cbe.ab.ca/about-us/budget-an...isclosure.aspx

Unless I’m reading that wrong, there are 2922 FTE teachers earning between $95,000-135,000, with an average of just over $100,000. Meaning, there are a fair number earning over $100,000 to bring the average up to that point.

Of course, that’s not all teachers. There are 1624 earning under $95,000, so the average for all teachers would be lower. But still, a substantial number of teachers must be earning over $100,000.

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by Spurs

You don't get the extra pay unless you have a proper Masters degree.

This is the part I was replying to. Now that you have clarified that’s not actually what you meant, ok.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

This is the part I was replying to. Now that you have clarified that’s not actually what you meant, ok.

It was what I actually meant.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Again I can't say it but if TQS determined it was 6 years of teaching they would get 6 years of teaching.

What I disagreed with was Silver saying a Masters of Education didn't exist and that it was just an undergrad handed out but teachers are given credit it for it being a Master degree.

If you get a 4 years "masters" degree you get credit for 4 years, if you get an undergrad for 4 years and a Masters of Education for another 2 years you get credit for 6.

From my experience the number of teachers, not admin that have a Masters of Education on top of their 4 year undergrad, is not high, although I will admit it does seem to be increasing lately so maybe higher going forward and maybe different in a division like CBE.

Originally Posted by Sliver

Well, they make more so you're kind of right.

As of September 2022, with 10 years of experience, they make $103,111 with a masters of teaching (six years' education). With four years of education at 10 years they make $95,562. Five years of education they make $99,082.

Here is the salary grid: https://local38.teachers.ab.ca/SiteC...ALLOWANCES.pdf

Originally Posted by Spurs

How many teachers have a masters? I would think that is a small number so most will max out at less than 100k.

Originally Posted by Sliver

IDK, man. You seem to have a lot of opinions on this yet know very little. Masters of teaching is basically the standard-issue qualification for teachers and has been for a decade or two. I believe it's the only option at UC to becoming a teacher. Some people used to go to UofL to get their certificate quicker, but I don't really know if that's still the case.

A Masters of teaching is not a Masters degree; it's beneath it in the little academic hierarchy.

Do you, like, get tired of being wrong over and over, or is this just your thing?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Do you, like, get tired of being wrong over and over, or is this just your thing?

Wasn't wrong so no

[fotze2]

I know you are but what am I?

[Wormius]

Yet another semantics argument.

Isn’t the only thing of importance is what’s accepted for the extra 2 years of education to provide the salary bump? In this case, why does it matter what it’s called?

[Geraldsh]

This thread is ripe from an irrelevant anecdote; my mother got her teaching certificate by attending normal(that’s what it was called) school in 1946. She got her first job in a one room rural school teaching grades one to nine, a total of twenty kids. I attended the same school for grades one and two. There were two other pupils in my grade, both girls and both named Karen!
We never got rich but I never went hungry either. Her teachers pension was just enough to disqualify her from any government subsidies in her golden years.