[Signing] Flames sign Sharangovich to 2 year deal (3.1 mil aav)

[JohnnyHockey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But is reacting to a pretty brutal year and a half the same as over reacting to a very recent event?

I don't think anyone is questioning any fan for being disappointed, depressed or disgruntled for what's gone on since game two of the Oiler series.

It's the searching for more gloom where there is none.

You'd think your list would have people not wanting more misery, not actively searching for more!

Your name says it all!!! Nailed it square on the head.

[CSharp]

So, you might want to ask him if he wants to be in a Flames uniform in 2 years.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But is reacting to a pretty brutal year and a half the same as over reacting to a very recent event?

I don't think anyone is questioning any fan for being disappointed, depressed or disgruntled for what's gone on since game two of the Oiler series.

It's the searching for more gloom where there is none.

You'd think your list would have people not wanting more misery, not actively searching for more!

They are the misery. They can't want it or search for it. They are it.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But is reacting to a pretty brutal year and a half the same as over reacting to a very recent event?

I don't think anyone is questioning any fan for being disappointed, depressed or disgruntled for what's gone on since game two of the Oiler series.

It's the searching for more gloom where there is none.

You'd think your list would have people not wanting more misery, not actively searching for more!

I think if you feel the brutal time has only been a year and half, which is fair if that is your view, that might explain the disconnect between you and some of those you would say are looking for doom and gloom or negative or pessimistic or whatever label people might use.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHockey

I will never understand this forum and its constant negativity. All the negative people posting need to take a step back and ask themselves what would you have paid for this player last year. Players have bad years, especially young players. There is significant upside here.

I wouldn't have paid anything for him last year, didn't see him as an appealing player then either.

As for the negativity, I know people will never agree to this but the results of the team speak for themselves. No real play-off success for almost 20 years, few regular season success over that same time period, a team that looks to value a few play-off games over actual success.

You may not agree with how poor it has been, may not agree that things are looking as bad going forward to pretend that there aren't reason for Flames fans to be disappointed and down on the team when they rank at the bottom of the list in terms of length since last Cup win, fewest play-off series wins, fewest play-off game wins, etc. in the past 20 years then you are ignoring reality.

This isn't TB Lightning fans complaining that we haven't won a Cup in a couple of years this team has objectively been one of the least successful teams for a long time.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I wouldn't have paid anything for him last year, didn't see him as an appealing player then either.

I am going to go out on very short limb and call you out on that. I bet Sharangovich was not on your radar at all lol.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I wouldn't have paid anything for him last year, didn't see him as an appealing player then either.

As for the negativity, I know people will never agree to this but the results of the team speak for themselves. No real play-off success for almost 20 years, few regular season success over that same time period, a team that looks to value a few play-off games over actual success.

You may not agree with how poor it has been, may not agree that things are looking as bad going forward to pretend that there aren't reason for Flames fans to be disappointed and down on the team when they rank at the bottom of the list in terms of length since last Cup win, fewest play-off series wins, fewest play-off game wins, etc. in the past 20 years then you are ignoring reality.

This isn't TB Lightning fans complaining that we haven't won a Cup in a couple of years this team has objectively been one of the least successful teams for a long time.

Do you really believe that people don't know this.
This is one of the worst performing franchises for the last 2 decades

We know that. It ain't news.
But what's the point in wallowing in it? If your starting point for every discussion is the decades of underperformance doesn't it get dull for you? It all ends up in the same place.

The one thing all fans have is hope.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But is reacting to a pretty brutal year and a half the same as over reacting to a very recent event?

I don't think anyone is questioning any fan for being disappointed, depressed or disgruntled for what's gone on since game two of the Oiler series.

It's the searching for more gloom where there is none.

You'd think your list would have people not wanting more misery, not actively searching for more!

Except most people aren't over the top doom and gloom, but simply disagreeing with the move. You may not see any gloom in this contract signing. Others believe the dollar value is a bit high and the term is off. I don't think either is a bad take personally.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Parallex

... what? This is awful use of leverage. This walks him to UFA status at his earliest opportunity. You either sign him him to 3+ years or you sign him to a one year deal and maintain his RFA status for next year. Makes no sense.

Gotta say I am not liking the early signs on what the Conroy era will entail.

how do you know there's not a handshake agreement for extension if he has a good year already worked out? for all we know they agreed mutually on a 2 yr and performance based agreement for extension?

Too soon to criticize, let him follow his plan, let's see what kind of team he ices on opening day

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Do you really believe that people don't know this.
This is one of the worst performing franchises for the last 2 decades

We know that. It ain't news.
But what's the point in wallowing in it? If your starting point for every discussion is the decades of underperformance doesn't it get dull for you? It all ends up in the same place.

The one thing all fans have is hope.

When people say "I don't understand the negativity" yes I question if they do know it. Because to me that implies there is no justification for the negative feelings around it.

If you want to discuss how each person should react to it, I can entertain that discussion although I do think it is a case of different strokes for different folks and as you as you don't understand my view I can't understand the hope for the sake of hope position.

I don't wallow in anything. That is something I never get when people bring this up like people are constantly sad, angry, depressed. I am none of those things when it comes to the Flames. Yes seeing the Flames do the same thing year after year does get dull for me, it is why I have said that I want something different, why I have felt disconnected from the team and the current players. For me the solution to that is changing the approach and team not just blindly hoping that things will magically change by repeating the same things over and over.

[Badgers Nose]

Just pick a new team and #### off.

[CF84]

I wonder who ricardodw is now because I'm certain that poster didn't just go away quietly...silly Jets fan.


*edit* I'm not sure why I thought ricardodw was banned, but I was wrong.

[Icantwhisper]

If a poster is constantly negative regardless of the topic I don't value their opinion.
However the same can be said for a poster that is constantly positive, if a poster is incapable of looking at their favorite team and seeing fault that is also a red flag on their opinion.

The best posters are the ones that have a healthy balance

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Just pick a new team and #### off.

Assuming this is directed at me, is this really the response?

Wouldn't picking teams that only win be a bandwagon fan? Is that what people support? I never get this line of thinking "you aren't a homer so go be bandwagon fan"

Does it really bother people that much that people have different views than they do?

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Assuming this is directed at me, is this really the response?

Wouldn't picking teams that only win be a bandwagon fan? Is that what people support? I never get this line of thinking "you aren't a homer so go be bandwagon fan"

Does it really bother people that much that people have different views than they do?

I may disagree with you most of your takes and how they come across, but right now I don't see anything wrong with your opinion.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by CF84

I wonder who ricardodw is now because I'm certain that poster didn't just go away quietly...silly Jets fan.


*edit* I'm not sure why I thought ricardodw was banned, but I was wrong.

I think he kind of tailed off as the Jets imploded like the Flames lol

[JohnnyHockey]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I wouldn't have paid anything for him last year, didn't see him as an appealing player then either.

6'2", 200 lbs, 24 years old, coming off his second year in the NHL with 46 points in 76 games.

Worthless. Wouldn't want that guy on my team.... right.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHockey

6'2", 200 lbs, 24 years old, coming off his second year in the NHL with 46 points in 76 games.

Worthless. Wouldn't want that guy on my team.... right.

Who said worthless?

I said I wouldn't want to give up pieces to bring him to the team. I have been very vocal that I want a rebuild. He is not a player I see contributing to a Flames team that is competing for anything so therefore I wouldn't give up pieces for him.

You can have a different view on where the Flames are but no need to make up things nobody said.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

If a poster is constantly negative regardless of the topic I don't value their opinion.
However the same can be said for a poster that is constantly positive, if a poster is incapable of looking at their favorite team and seeing fault that is also a red flag on their opinion.

The best posters are the ones that have a healthy balance

Bingo makes a good point, it is useeless to go back and look for stuff to be negative about.

Changes are happening, we have a new GM he has a plan and is doing things a little differently. He has to work with what he has not what people are guessing or assuming they thought should have happened.

Sure lets debate the topic lots of good points but looking for reasons to be negative thats no fun.

[Locke]

I havent read the whole thread yet, but I just wanted to clarify, I have nothing against the player, he could be a really good fit.

I am however annoyed at the middling return for our top goal scorer.