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Old 06-27-2023, 07:51 PM   #141
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That only holds if no other GM wanted Toffoli

They can’t “fleece” a GM unless they are all colluding against Calgary

And if this is the only team interested , that really shows what the true market is
I guess that is one way to defend the underwhelming return Conroy will be getting for players. We have no idea only one team was interested. Just that the return seems to suck.

Toffoli and others publicly wanting out, however, can’t help the negotiations.
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People acting as if other GMs are just chomping at the bit to trade away 2023 1sts… ��
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I guess that is one way to defend the underwhelming return Conroy will be getting for players. We have no idea only one team was interested. Just that the return seems to suck.

Toffoli and others publicly wanting out, however, can’t help the negotiations.
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His first trade was certainly underwhelming
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People acting as if other GMs are just chomping at the bit to trade away 2023 1sts… ��

Sorry, we're used to Treliving who spent 1sts like a drunken sailor.
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Just please Craig, don't f this up.
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Old 06-27-2023, 09:37 PM   #147
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Counter and negotiate Craig. Hard.
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Old 06-27-2023, 09:53 PM   #148
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Toffoli and others publicly wanting out, however, can’t help the negotiations.
That's Conroy's problem too though. There's unrest on many teams that have change at GM or coach in an offseason. Does it get out to the public? Not to the extent it has in Calgary right now.

Many Flames we find out were unhappy last offseason as were others, both just after MT and JG left, and Backlund after Kadri joined. Did that get out in June or July? Nope, after the season started and things settled down a bit. Treliving kept a lid on internal business via making sure agents kept quiet about this, as most GMs do. Did any players who may have wanted out in June or early July, change thier mind and stick around? Most likely. Conroy is asking this set of UFAs up front and making choices before the draft, and, not caring that it's public knowledge.

I don't see stories about players wanting out of Columbus or the Rangers or the Caps this offseason, as each of those teams goes in a totally different direction with coaches. You can't tell me that all the players on those teams are comfortable with that and are fine with those changes right now...but maybe by September those minds have changed.

Treliving's and Sutter as GM before him kept cards close to the vest. It drives media nuts and thus fans too as a result becuase of the lack of transparency, (as if that's a fan given right). But what it did do is allow the GM to do his work without the outside distraction of other teams knowing their business and dirty laundry. Both those guys as GMs made sure their business was not leaked internally or through agents or whoever, to the media, which is why those stories last year, and other years, around the league, don't ever see the light of day.

Here, early indications (and they are early, not just the trade) is that Conroy has built his brand with his CESC bosses on being transparent with media and fans and wanting players to decide on the spot in May and June if they want to be here....if they don't or are unsure at this point, they will let everyone know you want out and accommodate the moves.

While noble and may win you fan points and media praise for being open and honest and moving forward, there is dynamics involved with each of these UFAs, and once you've asked them to make a decision one way or another in June, and then cast them aside in the public light, there's no hope of them changing their mind, and other GMs will turn it into a feeding frenzy where Conroy gets less assets then he would when dealing from a position of strength. Players thinking about coming here and seeing all the internal laundry aired on TSN, would cause pause too; Treliving and Sutter before him could attract players becaise those players and agents knew that Flames under those those guys as GM,would insulate their players from media gossip by not engaging in it or assisting in it.

We will see how this all goes, but forcing players to choose, and then alllowing players and agents to be so public with internal, early offseason thoughts, is going to hurt the Flames. I realize Conroy wants not another JG or MT situation, but he's swinging too far the other way IMO in dealing with UFAs they may want to keep.

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Counter and negotiate Craig. Hard.
I feel like he is too timid to ever do this. "Timid salespeople have skinny children". I guess we are the children in this scenario
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I feel like he is too timid to ever do this. "Timid salespeople have skinny children". I guess we are the children in this scenario
Come on now. A true salesman never sells. They take.
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People acting as if other GMs are just chomping at the bit to trade away 2023 1sts… ��
and a lot of teams don't have any
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Old 06-28-2023, 06:16 AM   #152
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People acting as if other GMs are just chomping at the bit to trade away 2023 1sts… ��
The opposite is true. Every GM out there is trying to figure out how to add another 1st rounder right now,. 1st round picks are tight because this is a deep draft. No one wants to be left without a chance at the brass ring. If you were targeting this draft that work should have started two years ago and went heavy last season. Treliving wasn't a GM to think that far ahead and was one who would give away high picks without having a plan. The Flames were never in a position to exploit this draft and as we approach this draft the grip on high picks is extremely tight. Will be surprised if we see any moved today.
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Old 06-28-2023, 07:05 AM   #153
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Friedman on 32 Thoughts: doesn’t believe Flames will make anymore trades this week, prefaces it with “famous last words”
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Friedman on 32 Thoughts: doesn’t believe Flames will make anymore trades this week, prefaces it with “famous last words”
If we're getting offers like the one for Toffoli for Hanifin/Lindholm/Backlund, then good. GMs can get their heads out of their ***es.
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If we're getting offers like the one for Toffoli for Hanifin/Lindholm/Backlund, then good. GMs can get their heads out of their ***es.
Didn’t sound like it was specifically tied to the offers coming in, rather just that Conroy is going to be patient and that they’re still negotiating with Lindholm.
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Friedman on 32 Thoughts: doesn’t believe Flames will make anymore trades this week, prefaces it with “famous last words”
That's what I'm feeling as well. IMO the Dubois and Toffoli returns are kind of underwhelming and if the offers for Hanafin are similarly underwhelming then it's probably best to hold off and wait until free agency.
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Didn’t sound like it was specifically tied to the offers coming in, rather just that Conroy is going to be patient and that they’re still negotiating with Lindholm.
I don’t anticipate Lindy moving but what about Hanifin? He likely moves very soon I would think?
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I don’t anticipate Lindy moving but what about Hanifin? He likely moves very soon I would think?
Nope, nothing is imminent.
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Old 06-28-2023, 07:27 AM   #159
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Well I guess this draft is truly hyped up among GMs and fans lol. I was wrong on that one. For sure thought Hanifin would get traded at the draft.
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Old 06-28-2023, 07:30 AM   #160
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Would be pretty dissapointing to come out of this draft without more then one 1st given the trajectory and narrative if this team.

But I guess you don't want to sell these guys for oennies on the dollar
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