[Trade] Flames trade Toffoli to NJ for RFA rights to Sharangovich and 80th OA

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Chonger

Why did this trade have to be made today? You coulda held onto him till the TDL and got a couple 2nds or a 1st. Seems rushed for no reason.

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I think because they think highly of Sharangovich and the draft pool in the 3rd round.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by kehatch

The reaction across the Flames and NHL pundits seems to be "underwhelming*. I have to agree. Struggling RFAs with arb rights are easy enough tk acquire and usually involve giving up a middle round pick. They aren't the centre piece of a return when you trade your scoring leader on a great low risk contract.

It isn't the worst return. But it feels like an attempt to tread water rather then maximize value. It feels like a GM trying to check to many boxes (get younger, bigger, and replace Toffoli production). It also feels like a bit of Feaster era wishful thinking.

This kind of nails it for me. Like most of Feaster's trades, the value just doesn't add up to me. It will be interesting to see Conroy's next transaction to see if it's a pattern.

[ah123]

A balanced take from Darren Haynes

https://twitter.com/darrenwhaynes/st...aCaHvidvlJqabA

[868904]

I think another thing that plays into this trade is maybe Conroy just wanted to get one of the to-do items checked so he can concentrate on the bigger deals. 7 UFAs is a lot to deal with for an experienced GM, let alone a rookie one.

Maybe he thought it just wasn’t worth waiting till draft day to squeeze the 3rd round pick into a 2nd round pick when he needed to focus on a Hanifin deal and making draft selections and other moves. Things can get crazy hectic in draft day and if you can make things a bit easier it might be beneficial.

If he gets a 2nd instead of a 3rd, it looks way better but does it really change things in the long run? Also, the Devils don’t have a 1st so that 2nd is even more valuable to them. The draft is so deep that the 3rd might have the value of a 2nd compared to other years.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Good on Conroy

Toffoli isn’t a top line winger. Top 6, ok. But you don’t want him on your top 3. He got good / decent but not spectacular numbers, with huge opportunity

Huberdeau with a recent history of being near the top of the league, and a season of 115 pts was on PP2 most of the year, and played on his off wing, often with Looch, for goodness sake. Toffoli played with Lindy and got PP1 time.

Sell high, do not extend

I do not expect a material drop off from the combined points of Huberdeau plus Sharangovich next year, from Toffoli plus Huberdeau this year

[memphusk]

Yep. Someone had to score and put up points on last year's turd of a team but... He cares. He Gives it his all. He doesn't give up. Thats the ####ty part about moving him but hey man, you're old and she's moving time.

[LIP MAN]

Don’t worry, used NJ in NHL 23 and our new #17 seems like a sneaky pick. He did take a bone head penalty in the game, par for the course for that number for us.

[dino7c]

He is 4th in goals from his draft not Ben Hanowski

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ah123

A balanced take from Darren Haynes

https://twitter.com/darrenwhaynes/st...aCaHvidvlJqabA

Compare this to the tweet people were critiquing earlier and it’s very clear what the difference is
Haynes puts actual effort into forming his opinions and looks at it from both sides. Night and say compared to the other tweet

[Mightyfire89]

Meh. Won’t be able to truly judge this trade for probably 2-5 years so I steadfastly refuse to have an opinion mere hours after it occurred.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He is 4th in goals from his draft not Ben Hanowski

Hey don’t forget about Kenny Agostino.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He is 4th in goals from his draft not Ben Hanowski

The only one in the top-12 in goals for the 2018 draft class who wasn't a first round pick. He's also 8th in points for his draft class and the only one in the top-13 who wasn't a first rounder.



It's funny, if they had made this trade with Carolina and got Kotkaniemi (drafted 138 spots ahead of Sharangovich) in return, people would have likely been happy about it. Sharangovich has played 114 fewer games than Kotkaniemi, but has scored 1 more goal and only 28 fewer points.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He is 4th in goals from his draft not Ben Hanowski

More correctly, he’s 14th among 2016 first time eligible draftees, 1 behind Dube and 2 ahead of Puljujarvi.

I mean when you look at it as Dube+3rd for Toffoli it’s not bad value. The decision making of why bring in more middle sixers instead of getting swings at top line talent is what was flawed. Sharangovich could pop though, look at Hagel this year. Betting against Flames pro scouting is one of the safest bets in the league though, so we’ll see if this is buying low or if NJD got tired of a decent young player for a reason.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Has the Flames ever turned anyone career around?

[FlamesAddiction]

It's interesting too that he was apparently a great penalty killer. Not everything is about points.

At this point, I am not worried about the team being worse in the short term. Sharangovich sounds like an asset that has a decent chance to increase in value, which would help in the future.

This one won't be able to be judged for a couple of years at least.

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1673949670886846466

https://twitter.com/user/status/1673950167437828103

[jg13]

So hes a Jonathan Huberdeau friendly Tyler Toffoli.

[calgarywinning]

This is one where these charts are right. This trade is just the beginning of walking backward.

[Locke]

Lets just hope he doesnt get drafted...by the Belarusian military...

[SoulOfTheFlame]

Still feel like it's not great asset management. Could have better maximized the value at the trade deadline.