[Trade] Flames trade Toffoli to NJ for RFA rights to Sharangovich and 80th OA

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Not as much as some under rate him. Go Bennett! Cheers

Yet to crack 50 points

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yes, he got more. But it was a TDL trade, when the 2023 draft seems so far away. Teams are more reluctant to part with them now.

Funny, you were saying the exact opposite at the trade deadline.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=143

[Ferarri]

Conroy said a lot of moves were going to be group decisions and he was going to rely on the expertise of the people around him. His team must have felt strongly about Sharangovich. They are banking on him getting more of an opportunity and hopefully will lead to a breakout. I mean at first glance a lot of people are saying NJ won the trade but we all heard the same thing last year when pundits claimed Tre fleeced Florida and look how that turned out so far.

We are a long ways away from opening night and this is only one move in what should be an active offseason. We gained cap space, a player with potential and a pick in a deep draft. It's not all doom and gloom.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Never said I didn't like Bennett...I do and always have

Just that some here over rate him

To cycle back on this trade though, I hope Sharangovich is what the Flames scouts think he can be. I don’t like this trade as it is - I think there’s too much risk on Calgary’s side given how Sharangovich trended towards the end of his time in NJD…but I really hope he swings back around.

I also don’t like the trade because it does carry a certain “compete now” weight to it, and I think that’s a silly first step for Conroy because if they can’t retain Lindholm (and I don’t think they should), the bottom falls out of this team and any attempts to stay relevant become even more fever-dream based.

So why lead with this trade when you don’t really have a direction set…unless of course, you believe the direction is set - regardless of whether you have your 1st line centre or not…? That’s what I suspect is the truth of it, that this team isn’t being realistic about their roster construction with and without Lindholm. As a fan I’m just looking for a clear direction…and this trade is leaning towards a certain direction that to me just doesn’t make sense anymore.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Conroy said a lot of moves were going to be group decisions and he was going to rely on the expertise of the people around him. His team must have felt strongly about Sharangovich. They are banking on him getting more of an opportunity and hopefully will lead to a breakout. I mean at first glance a lot of people are saying NJ won the trade but we all heard the same thing last year when pundits claimed Tre fleeced Florida and look how that turned out so far.

We are a long ways away from opening night and this is only one move in what should be an active offseason. We gained cap space, a player with potential and a pick in a deep draft. It's not all doom and gloom.

For some posters on this board it is always doom and gloom. The Flames could go undefeated the whole year and playoffs, win the Cup, and there are posters here who would bitch about it. I have no doubt.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by dino7c

People don't need to have an all in opinion on the day of a trade

Maybe it's not the greatest or worst thing ever!

Maybe time will tell like every other trade in history.

If we pull up the Hamilton trade many thought it was a disaster.

"Lindholm can't shoot, Canes ripped us off"

Agreed. Some people need to go back and read the comments on Lindholm. He is a good 2 way player but probably doesn't put up those points without Johnny. Sometimes players need to be given opportunities to play with good players who complement their skill set.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Hall and Hayes were basically given away for free today

Hall is a 55 point a year guy over the past 3 seasons, Toffoli is a 65 points a year guy. Hall is a 19 goal a year guy over the past 3 seasons, Toffoli is a 33 goal a year guy over the past 3 seasons. Hall makes 1.75 million more a year and is signed for two more seasons. Hall is currently nowhere near the player that Toffoli is, especially when one considers their contracts.

Hayes is a 18 goal a year guy in the past 3 years, he is a 52 point a year guy over the past 3 years. For a contract worth 3.5 million a year over the next 3 years and he garnered a 6th round pick. But he is nowhere near the same player that Toffoli has been over the past 3 years.

[sch19lks]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why are some people trying to spin this as the team having no plan or direction?? Conroy is doing exactly what he said he was going to do. How in the hell are some people getting a lack of direction out of him doing exactly what he said he was going to do?

Because the Flames got younger, but not in the way that some fans expected. First rounds picks or bust. Some fans would rather magic beans than proven players.

In a year’s time, I wouldn’t be surprised if these same fans are talking about how Conroy’s first trade was great. I think the Flames did really well here

[JohnnyB]

Come into a summer 2023 Toffoli trade thread to find a discussion with dino7c about Bennett?

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Conroy said a lot of moves were going to be group decisions and he was going to rely on the expertise of the people around him. His team must have felt strongly about Sharangovich. They are banking on him getting more of an opportunity and hopefully will lead to a breakout. I mean at first glance a lot of people are saying NJ won the trade but we all heard the same thing last year when pundits claimed Tre fleeced Florida and look how that turned out so far.

We are a long ways away from opening night and this is only one move in what should be an active offseason. We gained cap space, a player with potential and a pick in a deep draft. It's not all doom and gloom.

Pro scouting has...not been a particular strength of this organization for a long time, to put it mildly. Relying on those guys more is not the ringing endorsement we might wish it to be.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Come into a summer 2023 Toffoli trade thread to find a discussion with dino7c about Bennett?

Context! I was pro Bennett and didn't bring it up

People were acting like this guy was done because the Devil's healthy scratched him...Flames did the same to Bennett. Some guys need opportunity to succeed.

[FlamesFanInEdmonton]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Sharangovich of 2 yrs ago would be fine

The current version is problematic. Who knows what direction is next for him and they have to qualify/pay him to find out.

Apparently NJ gave up on him so something is there.

HAS THE FLAMES EVER TURNED ANYONE CAREER AROUND?

Maybe they did, I just don’t remember

Martin St. Louis 😬

[Freddy]

Toffoli had a great season for clutch goals and was one of very few highlights of last season, but to me he looked like his hips/knees/groin were absolutely cooked. I like this trade and the fact that the Flames will be younger and faster.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Sharangovich of 2 yrs ago would be fine

The current version is problematic. Who knows what direction is next for him and they have to qualify/pay him to find out.

Apparently NJ gave up on him so something is there.

Has the Flames ever turned anyone career around?

Maybe they did, I just don’t remember

Lindholm ring a bell? Zadorov? Gudbranson? Hell, you could argue the Flames put Toffoli in line for a big payday at his age.

[GioforPM]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1673911793700225025

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Hall is a 55 point a year guy over the past 3 seasons, Toffoli is a 65 points a year guy. Hall is a 19 goal a year guy over the past 3 seasons, Toffoli is a 33 goal a year guy over the past 3 seasons. Hall makes 1.5 million more a year and is signed for two more seasons. Hall is currently nowhere near the player that Toffoli is, especially when one considers their contracts.

Hayes is a 18 goal a year guy in the past 3 years, he is a 52 point a year guy over the past 3 years. For a contract worth 3.5 million a year over the next 3 years and he garnered a 6th round pick. But he is nowhere near the same player that Toffoli has been over the past 3 years.

The gap between them is, at most, a mid round pick and a bottom six player with upside.

Seems spot on.

[sch19lks]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Pro scouting has...not been a particular strength of this organization for a long time, to put it mildly. Relying on those guys more is not the ringing endorsement we might wish it to be.

Yes there was some bad moves. Brouwer, Raymond, Neal, etc.

But this is also the same pro scouting staff that “found” Lindholm, Hanifin and Toffoli. You can’t blame Conroy for Treliving losing his marbles every Canada Day

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Funny, you were saying the exact opposite at the trade deadline.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=143

I don’t think that quite makes your point. I was saying no one was trading for ‘24 UFAs then. Not that 1sts were harder to get then, period. IN fact, 1sts aren’t even mentioned. Anyway, better returns were available for ‘23 UFAs then versus ‘24. That’s all that was said.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Hall is a 55 point a year guy over the past 3 seasons, Toffoli is a 65 points a year guy. Hall is a 19 goal a year guy over the past 3 seasons, Toffoli is a 33 goal a year guy over the past 3 seasons. Hall makes 1.5 million more a year and is signed for two more seasons. Hall is currently nowhere near the player that Toffoli is, especially when one considers their contracts.

Hayes is a 18 goal a year guy in the past 3 years, he is a 52 point a year guy over the past 3 years. For a contract worth 3.5 million a year over the next 3 years and he garnered a 6th round pick. But he is nowhere near the same player that Toffoli has been over the past 3 years.

Hall has been injured and was on a good team and not in a top role

He was over PPG in the playoffs too


Point being they were given away, market isnt as strong as some suggested not that they are equal

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Sharangovich of 2 yrs ago would be fine

The current version is problematic. Who knows what direction is next for him and they have to qualify/pay him to find out.

Apparently NJ gave up on him so something is there.

Has the Flames ever turned anyone career around?

Maybe they did, I just don’t remember

Huselius, Glencross, Bourque. Hudler popped here as well.