[Trade] Flames trade Toffoli to NJ for RFA rights to Sharangovich and 80th OA

[Reggie Dunlop]

One of Conroy's best trades as General Manager.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Devils are in their window, they need a sure thing for right now. Tyler is that.

Flames can afford the patient approach and help the kid try to reach his potential at this level.

If it pans out they'll come out of this looking pretty good.

Meanwhile TT probably moves on from the Devils next summer with a Meier extension by Jersey, and since they'll hang on to him for their playoff run, possibly for nothing.

Sometimes the good/right thing isn't exciting on day 1. The instant gratification route hasn't got us anywhere though.

I don't think you trade a cheap 25 year old with any significant potential for a 31 year old soon to be UFA. Or at least I wouldn't. It's not like they are a Toffoli away from winning the cup.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

One of Conroy's best trades as General Manager.

I disagree, it is one of his worst.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I don't think you trade a cheap 25 year old with any significant potential for a 31 year old soon to be UFA. Or at least I wouldn't. It's not like they are a Toffoli away from winning the cup.

I think they think they are a lot closer to winning the cup than you do.

[Salt Water Cowboy #10]

Good trade

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I don't think you trade a cheap 25 year old with any significant potential for a 31 year old soon to be UFA. Or at least I wouldn't. It's not like they are a Toffoli away from winning the cup.

Yes you do because if you sign the RFA his contract pushes into future years and cap space will be needed for other players. I think this just signals that the devils are going to be making a push to win in 2023/2024 and if Toffoli gives a 30g year and leaves no big deal

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Iggy Snipe

This trade is fantastic, what a steal for Calgary. This was a fantastic move. Good job Connie!!!!

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[traptor]

This trade is growing on me.
Obivously hoping he pops off in a change of scenary.

Reminds me of the Haula for Zacha trade last season.
Zacha was similar age/production as Sharagovich. Has worked out pretty good for Boston.

The third is a bit of icing


Edit:
Still leaves me unsure of what we're trying to do.
I don't think a retool of change of scenery players is what this team needs.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Locke

So...Treliving put another impending UFA on Radio-Silence and in that uncertainty he decided to walk.

I think we need to take a long hard look at the legacy of how Treliving treated the players.

The stink around that guy grows more and more pungent as the days go by.

Treleeaved on April 17. That's 441 days before Toffoli's contract would expire..."impending" is the wrong word choice.

I doubt any teams start negotiating early extensions in the weeks immediately following the season.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I don't think you trade a cheap 25 year old with any significant potential for a 31 year old soon to be UFA. Or at least I wouldn't. It's not like they are a Toffoli away from winning the cup.

Well teams are run by people, and people are prone to mistakes. They don't have crystal balls.

They're also prone to believing their team is 1-2 pieces away.

Just look up the highway.

[FlamesAddiction]

Hearing Toffoli's comments, it sounds like he really wanted to use last season to leverage the Flames into a lucrative contract extension, but when the Flames didn't initiate anything, he wanted to try his luck elsewhere. He probably knows that he is unlikely to repeat a career year next season and didn't want to wait.

Nothing against Toffoli. He was a good player for us, but he is not the kind of player you want to give a really expensive long term contract to.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I could see him on the top line with Huberdeau and a free agent to be Lindholm next season.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Well teams are run by people, and people are prone to mistakes. They don't have crystal balls.

They're also prone to believing their team is 1-2 pieces away.

Just look up the highway.

I have crystal balls. It doesn’t help me predict the future but they make a pleasant clinking noise when I walk.

[Nelson]

I think the fact that Conroy didn’t give Toffoli a long-term extension but traded him for assets is the best thing about this trade.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Hearing Toffoli's comments, it sounds like he really wanted to use last season to leverage the Flames into a lucrative contract extension, but when the Flames didn't initiate anything, he wanted to try his luck elsewhere. He probably knows that he is unlikely to repeat a career year next season and didn't want to wait.

Nothing against Toffoli. He was a good player for us, but he is not the kind of player you want to give a really expensive long term contract to.

And I think he's probably right.

I would have bet our top PP unit wouldn't have been built around Tyler Toffoli next season with Muller and Sutter gone.

Hell it's baffling that he seemed to be the focal point of the PP last season with Lindholm and Huberdeau playing secondary roles.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I have no problems with this deal.

I don't love it either, but I have no problems with it.

I like the attributes Sharangovich will bring. He's younger, more versatile, kills penalties, is faster, is bigger, is cost controlled, and put up similar 5v5 points to the guy we shipped out.

My brain: "That's good!"

He also will probably not score as many goals or points this year since Toffoli will be playing on an offensively talented team.

"That's bad!"

He also comes with a 3rd round pick.

"That's good!"

The trade has been evaluated by many media members to be a major win for New Jersey and not us.

"That's bad!"

The 3rd round pick was originally the Flames' pick and was traded away with two other picks (2nd and 7th) to acquire UFA rental Calle Jarnkrok, then went through several organizations before coming back in this trade for what is essentially a UFA rental.

"....?..."

That's bad.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I think the fact that Conroy didn’t give Toffoli a long-term extension but traded him for assets is the best thing about this trade.

The Flames are finally doing the right thing with their 30 year olds.

And not at the last possible moment, but a year ahead.

This is a momentous occasion. Even if the trade isn't an outright grand slam, they actually did the right thing. That's worth celebrating.

Now they just have to do it a few more times, and work on their poker faces in the process.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

But looking at those stats and you can see that Yegor is also more than you're giving him credit for.

Last three seasons:

5v5

Toffoli: GP-208, G-40 , P-84, TOI-2571
Sharangovich: GP-205, G-35, P-76, TOI-2633

Power Play

Toffoli: GP-208, G - 25, P-51, TOI-501
Sharangovich: GP-205, G-4, P- 6, TOI-152

So pretty much all the difference in their production is PP. So then the question that I ask is Toffoli a much better PP player, or did he just get more opportunity.

Okay let's compare Sharangovich to Milano 5on5 over the last 2 seasons.

Milano: 130GP, 19G, 51P
Sharangovich: 151GP, 25G, 55P

Would you have been happy if we traded Toffoli for Milano and a 3rd? I understand that Milano is 2 years older, but they're comparable defensively, and have similar production 5 on 5.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The constant drum on Valji around here is extremely undeserved and distasteful. This tweet in particular is actually accurate so not sure what everyone's letting their knickers knot up about.

He is comparing trading for one season vs. 2 and a half seasons not to mention the age

How is that accurate at all

The Flames got 1 and a half seasons of Toffoli plus what they acquired today

[SuperMatt18]

I'm intrigued to see what Toffoli's production is next year.

Is he going to be on the top PP unit in NJ?

Hughes, Hischier, Bratt, Meier, Mercer, Hamilton...

Seems doubtful.