[Trade] Flames trade Toffoli to NJ for RFA rights to Sharangovich and 80th OA

[GranteedEV]

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okay...


that is a underwhelming

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

If this was the Treliving regime we would've walked toffoli to free agency to "just get in"

I'd say this is a step forward from what we were doing prior to this.

Can't rip it until those two assets mature.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Well duh. Who wouldn't like the idea of more?

A lot of posters have been saying “don’t wait, you need to do these deals before the draft, no matter what the price - too much risk in waiting”.

[dino7c]

We were told Lindholm couldn't shoot when the Flames acquired him

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1673841816204980224

[All In Good Time]

We also gained some cap space with this deal, we need it.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Problem is...you cannot sign him to a 4x3M or 4x4M after the season he just had...what he should really get is a 1x2M...which means he is a Ufa next summer...

He’s been in the league 3 years. He’s not UFA eligible for a number of years.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A lot of posters have been saying “don’t wait, you need to do these deals before the draft, no matter what the price - too much risk in waiting”.

Including him lol

[howard_the_duck]

Hard to like this deal, but my frustration is more with the marketplace than anything.

Cap space is at a premium. Have to assume the flames are willing to eat salary on the Hanifin/Lindholm deals and therefore didn’t eat on this one, so the fact that they took full hit is reflected in the value.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 868904

All the posters saying they should have held onto Toffoli till the deadline are missing the fact that the Flames would never have traded Toffoli at the deadline.

The Flames are always in the playoff mix, there is no way they would have traded Toffoli.

They would have held onto him and hope that they could make the playoffs.

Toffoli would have walked for nothing.

Yes, trade deadline value would be higher, but (1) Flames would never have traded Toffoli at the deadline and (2) you also take on the risk that Toffoli might get injured and can't get traded.

This trade is average, it's not great, it's not terrible. It only looks terrible because many posters on this board have been thinking that the Flames would be getting a 1st round pick in one of the deepest drafts in years for Toffoli. That was never going to happen. If a 1st round pick in 2023 was available, Conroy would have taken it.

I seriously think no first rounders are on the table right now.

[NewFan]

Nah, why some people get upset for the return.

Toffoli's price is not high these days. He needs good line mates to make him good.
And he doesn't want stay here specially he might thought he's production will fall big to impact his next contract.

So for me:

- If Sharangovich out score Toffoli - Great!
- If Sharangovich has similar production as Toffoli - Okay, we got 3rd rounder.
- If Sharangovich worse and liability - It's Okay, then he will help Flames to fall in standings to get high drafts.

So I'm still okay with the return.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Man, this place is ####ing harsh.

"DO SOMETHING CONNIE!"

does something

"NO NOT THAT! WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?!?"

Silly us. We expect the GM to make good moves.

[Owen15]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1673830129347477504

https://twitter.com/user/status/1673835438115811334

Flames are 100% baking on their pro scouts having found a gem here.

Comparing what you gave for 3 years of Toffoli to what you’re giving up for 1 year of Toffoli is a fools errand.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A lot of people who said waiting past draft day would be a huge mistake no matter what the deals are now are complaining about the return. I doubt Conroy got superior offers and decided to take this guy.

The player? I have no idea what he is - haven’t watched him. They say he’s fast, a possession driver and has a shot. That seems like something Calgary has been missing. And he’s 25, but only barely, and he doesn’t have very many miles on him.

And Toffoli? Last year was a huge outlier, and a product of Sutter using him a ton, the power play being focused on him (to the exclusion of Lindholm and Huberdeau) and just a strange year. He’s normally a 50 point or so guy. He’s pretty slow and he’s 31. Everyone agrees it was time for him to go, including him.

Let’s pump the brakes on declaring this a failure.

2 years ago Toffoli was on pace for 44 goals and 25 assists for 69 points over 82 games. Not sure last year was much of an outlier.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He’s been in the league 3 years. He’s not UFA eligible for a number of years.

Uhh... I have some bad news for you.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Nah, why some people get upset for the return.

Toffoli's price is not high these days. He needs good line mates to make him good.
And he doesn't want stay here specially he might thought he's production will fall big to impact his next contract.

So for me:

- If Sharangovich out score Toffoli - Great!
- If Sharangovich has similar production as Toffoli - Okay, we got 3rd rounder.
- If Sharangovich worse and liability - It's Okay, then he will help Flames to fall in standings to get high drafts.

So I'm still okay with the return.

Not to mention money and term

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

For one season.

Two controlled pieces, for one that isn’t. I think it’s good for both teams.

Exactly. The Flames aren't trading 29 year old Toffoli with 3 contract years left. They traded 31 year old Toffoli with 1 year left. He is unlikely have another career year at this point and likely sees a modest drop in points. The Flames also payed trade deadline prices which are different and usually a lot higher.

Warrener was right when he said we should have traded these guys at the deadline last season, but we didn't and this is what happens.

Anyway, Sharangovich is a decent player that still has a lot of room to grow. This isn't a good or bad deal until we see how it plays out.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I seriously think no first rounders are on the table right now.

I’ve been saying for days that teams will move 2023 first round picks very reluctantly, if at all.

I am not seeing anything that suggests otherwise. Except for very late ones perhaps.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Including him lol

So if Sharangovich turns into a faster Toffoli (at his average production) and this cap space they've freed up allows them to keep the other key UFAs, will you be mad?

Didn't think so.

And that third could turn into a player as well.

Don't believe I ever opposed getting the best return you can. Maybe this wasn't that, but it still has the potential to be good asset management.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Owen15

Comparing what you gave for 3 years of Toffoli to what you’re giving up for 1 year of Toffoli is a fools errand.

Valji surprised he doesn’t get the original MSRP back when he trades in his car.