[Trade] Flames trade Toffoli to NJ for RFA rights to Sharangovich and 80th OA

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I like to gauge these trades based on opposite fans reaction.
Most seem to be pissed they traded for Toffoli, so I think we may have won long term.

"Aw man, we traded a 30 point guy who isn't going to get much better (already 25) for a 34 goal scorer?!?!"
~ Said No One Ever

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Love all the people that have never seen Shango being underwhelmed.

His shot is borderline elite.

Such strong opinions for someone a lot are clearly ignorant about...

We all know what Tyler Toffoli is, and he's not a 75 point guy. This year was clearly the outlier and other teams know that

Sharangovich put up nearly identical numbers to Toffoli in his first 2 NHL seasons, and is a comparable player in that he's big and has an elite shot

Yegor though offers a lot more speed/agility and he uses his size more than Toffoli. He's not a powerforward but he gets involved a lot more than Toffoli who is exclusively a perimeter shooter

[dammage79]

Initial thought?
Zero retention is great. That's a full load off the cap, some wiggle room.
Sharangovich is fast, has a wicked shot. Tangible traits we have been crying for. Speed!
He will fit in a fast tempo structure.
The 3rd is nice to have back.

Comparing the trade in which we got Toffoli is stupid. Different GM, different situations.

Ppl saying Conroy got fleeced are crazy.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Flames should probably hold on to both Hanafin and Lindholm if this is the market. There will be better offers at the trade deadline from teams loading up for a cup run.

If things go well and the team enjoys success maybe they even come back around by then.

Conroy needs to stand his ground either way.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by fire_starter

How do you know Toffoli is gonna have a repeat year though? He's also already 31 and at the end of the day flames got younger. I'd take that trade any day.

If a 73 point player gets you that garbage, might as well hang on to him till the TD.

[fenix_sk]

Lol at everyone saying we got "fleeced" because it is a 3rd round pick instead of a 2nd round pick. Anything outside the first round, even in an "elite" draft, is an educated crap shoot. Besides that, you have no idea if Connie even plans on holding onto the 3rd round pick, or if he will flip it in another deal.

Let's all take a deep breath and calm down haha.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Ignoring age in that equation.

Sharangovich is 25 with a career high 46 points in 76 games.

Toffoli is 31 with a career high of 73 points in 82 games.

I never try to look at things as just one season but if this trade was made in the 2022 offseason we probably wouldn't have hated it.

Sharangovich was coming off 24 goals and 46 points in 76 games .
Toffoli was coming off 20 goals and 49 points in 74 games.

Over the last three seasons at 5v5:

Toffoli: GP - 208, G-40, P- 84
Sharangovich: GP-205, G-35, P-76

Starting to look a lot closer... and he's 6 years younger.

Just wanted to add...if Sharangovich takes toffoli's 268 shots this season he likely has 35 goals and 75pts. We can also sign him to a deal that lasts the life of the rebuild.

[Jiri Hrdina]

The real loser in this deal is Alex Holtz. Toffoli just took his spot.

[ComixZone]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1673830129347477504

https://twitter.com/user/status/1673835438115811334

Flames are 100% baking on their pro scouts having found a gem here.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The question really becomes would you prefer a late 1st (28-32 is the positon I had thought you might get for Toffoli) or Shrangovich

Yes sharangovich is not even worth a 2nd

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, so throw my desire/hopes of picks in this draft out the window.

I don't like this as a hockey trade based on Sharangovich's end in New Jersey. Absolutely could be wrong - as sometimes players do get that fresh start and things work, but putting Toffoli out the door for a reclamation project is rough.

Reclamation project is harsh though IMO, he had one down season. Not 3.

Their 5v5 production over the last 3 seasons has been equal, and he's 6 years younger, it's tough to get mad at that IMO.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Below-whelmed

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by MrMike

And when we are hanging onto the second wildcard spot by a hair do you really believe we will sell?

Probably not but Hanafin and Lindholm are great players on great contracts and you hate to sell low because teams don't want to move draft picks in this draft.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by getbak

Longest surname in Flames history?

Letourneau-Leblond

[iloveicedhockey]

Originally Posted by Owen15

No salary retained.

For those thinking the Flames owners are going to pump $10’s of millions into salary retention haven’t been watching this team.

See, I look at it as it keeping options open for retention on other assets.

[Hackey]

Hopefully this trade isn't a sign of things to come, but it's kind of what I expected. They will be one foot in on a re-tool and one foot in on trying to be competitive now. Hopefully they don't trade Lindholm and Hanifin for a similar type package.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yes sharangovich is not even worth a 2nd

He's easily worth a 2nd. He probably would have been worth a 1st last offseason.

The trade return is okay. It's not amazing, it's not terrible, it's alright.

Sharangovich + 2nd would have been good but this is okay.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I do not hate this at all, and I'm as cynical about the Flames as anyone you'll ever meet.

Sharangovich isn't gonna be a core piece but he's a good player. He probably has the best shot of anyone in the entire organization. Really curious to see what he can do.

I can't wait to see how he gell with Hubey and how many goals he gonna score with Hubey setting him up.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The real loser in this deal is Alex Holtz. Toffoli just took his spot.

Toffoli's a winner as I can see him having back to back career seasons. That's as good of a landing spot for an offensive winger as there is.

[browna]

In this day and age, if you as a GM are going to let known or allow players to publicly mention they want a trade or want out, and not instead keep it quiet in house and maybe have them change their mind through the offseason privately, there is no way you can hold onto them until to the trade deadline.

IMO it also weakens the return…but that’s the “open” approach that got him the job one assumes, so have to deal with it and hope that style pays dividends in other ways.