2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If we're going to make it worth someone's while to take a contract, it better be Kadri's abomination.

Should probably be both - they’re the problem contracts.

Weegar could move tomorrow for no retention.

Huberdeau specifically is too good for where they are right now.

Chalk it up to more Bradagast pigeon crap, and move on.

[SuperMatt18]

You're better off trying to re-build around Huberdeau than moving him with salary retained for nothing.

He's a good player, thrust into a bad position last year. And has been pretty great advocate for the Flames and was super supportive of our young players.

Rhett seemed to be scapegoating Huberdeau for the teams issues and locker room issues and that was 100% unfair IMO.

The problems existed before he got here, as witnessed by Gaudreau and Tkachuk walking.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Should probably be both - they’re the problem contracts.

Weegar could move tomorrow for no retention.

Huberdeau specifically is too good for where they are right now.

Chalk it up to more Bradagast pigeon crap, and move on.

so retain on 2 contracts for 6 and 8 years

limiting our ability to retain on more than one the next 6 seasons. Then not be at the cap floor after moving guys.

nah

[Lanny_McDonald]

Then when Huberdeau scores 100+ points and carries a 50 goal rookie to a Calder trophy we can listen to the whining of giving away a franchise forward again? Because I can’t see a better player for Bedard than Huberdeau and vice versa. Pure passer to a pure sniper. That would be scary.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You're better off trying to re-build around Huberdeau than moving him with salary retained for nothing.

He's a good player, thrust into a bad position last year. And has been pretty great advocate for the Flames and was super supportive of our young players.

Rhett seemed to be scapegoating Huberdeau for the teams issues and locker room issues and that was 100% unfair IMO.

The problems existed before he got here, as witnessed by Gaudreau and Tkachuk walking.

Its not like the Flames never had a bad season with these two either

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

And have $2M in dead cap for 8 more years? Horrible asset management

If they’re rebuilding (or re-tooling, or renovating, or reimagining, whatever lie they wanna tell themselves), who cares - they need to lose the extra $8.5M more than they need $2M. By the time the deal expires it’ll be 2% of the cap.

Get back a pick and a prospect and reset the etch-a-sketch

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You're better off trying to re-build around Huberdeau than moving him with salary retained for nothing.

He's a good player, thrust into a bad position last year. And has been pretty great advocate for the Flames and was super supportive of our young players.

Rhett seemed to be scapegoating Huberdeau for the teams issues and locker room issues and that was 100% unfair IMO.

The problems existed before he got here, as witnessed by Gaudreau and Tkachuk walking.

Aside from Huberdeau saying himself that he and Sutter had some differing views on on-ice stuff (and not even that they argued about it) I haven't heard a word about Huberdeau that suggests a negative personality. His relationship with Pelletier was great to see. And obviously he's buddies with Weegar.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

so retain on 2 contracts for 6 and 8 years

limiting our ability to retain on more than one the next 6 seasons. Then not be at the cap floor after moving guys.

nah

Sign fewer bad contracts?

I dunno. Maybe it’s not $2M, maybe it only takes one - Huberdeau at $9.5 has to look more appealing now that Horvat and PLD are $8.5M players.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

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Rhett seemed to be scapegoating Huberdeau for the teams issues and locker room issues and that was 100% unfair IMO.

Yeah. Love Rhett but he does seem to have a personal vendetta against Huberdeau. I doubt him, Kadri and Weegar came in and completely dismantled the locker room. These issues have likely existed for years and probably got worse with two prominent guys leaving

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Don't make me pull out the post from 2 months ago where you were confident that PLD would never play for anyone but Montreal.

That is because at one point his agent said that, or that is what was reported. Things change you know? Now go back to your Chicken Little sky is falling normal broadcasts.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There will be another window of availability after free agency hits. Some teams are going to miss out on players they were hoping to sign and will be looking to fill that spot via trade. It is very important going forward that Conroy doesn't just take any scraps offered to him, he needs to not only make good trades for the roster but his future reputation as well.

Sue but the pool of trade partners continue to shrink. If the Flames are serious about moving multiple players, it would be wise to get some of that started before teams start filling out their rosters and using up their cap space.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

so retain on 2 contracts for 6 and 8 years

limiting our ability to retain on more than one the next 6 seasons. Then not be at the cap floor after moving guys.

nah

Yeah, we just got out from underneath the cloud of the James Neal contract. Love or hate Lucic, he was overpaid and we had that because of another horrid contract.

Even if the plan is to move on from these guys (I don't think it is), the best path forward for that is to bring Kadri and Huberdeau back and play the snot out of them in 23/24 in hopes of their production sky rocketing.

[GreenLantern2814]

I’ll say that I don’t have a big issue with Huberdeau as a player, and if only one of them can be excised, it should be Kadri 11 times out of 10.

That contract though… eh, you know what, it probably doesn’t hurt them even at $10.5M - they’re nowhere near ready, and the cap floor is still $65M.

Play him with speedy kids and let ‘em run wild, it’ll be aesthetically pleasing if nothing else.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Huberdeau was mismanaged.

If the Flames can get Chicago to take him with $2M retained, they should do it.

Like Warrener said, make it worth someone’s while to take him, and if he scores 100 points next year, accept it.

There is zero chance that Chicago is going to take on an 8 year contract, they have even said as much.

They took on Hall for nothnig, that's what they want to look at.

Retaining 2M is not making it worth their while.

They will eventually need that cap space, at a time when Hubby is in the back half of his contract.

If he scores 100 points next year? That's a huge if LOL.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

There is zero chance that Chicago is going to take on an 8 year contract, they have even said as much.

They took on Hall for nothnig, that's what they want to look at.

Retaining 2M is not making it worth their while.

They will eventually need that cap space, at a time when Hubby is in the back half of his contract.

If he scores 100 points next year? That's a huge if LOL.

Great

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The talk here was that a deal has to be done at the draft. If you are talking UFA day, fine, but UFA day for these guys is a year away.

EDIT: I added some other years BTW.

My post specifically said July 1st.

And my point is most offseason transactions happen between the end of the season and Free Agency day / the day after.

2021 - July 23 was the draft, July 28 was free agency.

Vanecek, Vladar, Kuemper, Zadorov, Johnson, Schmidt, Fleury, Reinhart, Voracek/Atkinson, Bean, Seth Jones, OEK/Garland, Buchnevich, Ristolainen, Gostisbehere etc all happened between the 23rd and 29th.

2019 - June 21 was the draft, July 1 was free agency.

Trouba, Braun, JT Miller, Subban, Haula, Burakovsky, Miller, Kessel, Kadri, Vesey, Ceci all happened between the 21st and July 1st. Lucic was the only one of your examples that happened later than that.

And saying UFA day is a year away for these guys is irrelevant to the argument. The argument is when most business and the biggest trades happen in the NHL and that's between the end of season and first couple days of free agency, or the weeks leading up to the trade deadline.

If these players are still Flames by July 3rd then that likely means they're doing what they said they didn't want to do and are holding most into the season, and hopefully can find a better trade for them at the deadline.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You're better off trying to re-build around Huberdeau than moving him with salary retained for nothing.

He's a good player, thrust into a bad position last year. And has been pretty great advocate for the Flames and was super supportive of our young players.

Rhett seemed to be scapegoating Huberdeau for the teams issues and locker room issues and that was 100% unfair IMO.

The problems existed before he got here, as witnessed by Gaudreau and Tkachuk walking.

I think you rebuild with Huberdeau, not "around" him.

He provides offense and uses up a ton of cap space to help you reach the floor. Meanwhile you hopefully hit on your draft picks and develop players through your system. IMO you don't build a team around him, but he can complement what you're trying to achieve.

[ComixZone]

Flames PR (Fan960 crew): Deals on the table for Conroy are underwhelming.

Flames PR trying to push narrative that the Flames intend to be patient.

Just pouring cold water all over the idea the Flames will be active.

lol "first round picks are going to be ridiculously hard to come by in this draft"

...as Newhook returns a 1st and a 2nd.

Just absolutely hammering the agenda that the Flames aren't going to be able to get additional 1st round picks.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Sign fewer bad contracts?

I dunno. Maybe it’s not $2M, maybe it only takes one - Huberdeau at $9.5 has to look more appealing now that Horvat and PLD are $8.5M players.

If Horvat and PLD are 8.5, with Horvat having one PPG season and PLD never even sniffing that level, maybe a guy who was PPG for 4 years in a row and 100+ the season before last is actually worth 10.5.

Huberdeau is a 12.5% cap hit right now. But if the cap goes to 92, as projected for 3 years from now, he's like 10.5% of the cap, so along the lines of where Horvat is right now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I think you rebuild with Huberdeau, not "around" him.

He provides offense and uses up a ton of cap space to help you reach the floor. Meanwhile you hopefully hit on your draft picks and develop players through your system. IMO you don't build a team around him, but he can complement what you're trying to achieve.

And, if the timing works and his game comes back, he's the older guy who can still play with the kids all around him. Like Kopitar, Stamkos, Bergeron etc.