2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Toonage]

Don't most major deals come on the 1st day of the draft? Feels like it anyway. I'd imagine we see plenty of activity tomorrow.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Market value of the equivalent of a 1st and two 2nds for Hanifin is a fine framework for a trade to go by.

Considering the increased value of draft picks in 2023, may be no one wants to pay "FMV", especially if that asset comes with a need to sign an 8 year extension at 2024 cap prices.

Market value can rapidly change based on market conditions.

If Calgary can get a pick this year better than their own pick (#16), they should jump at it, as that pick in 2023 likely trumps a 1st and 2 seconds next year.

I'm not so sure such a pick is available this year, but I don't think any of us really has any idea if it is.

But looking at past history isn't potentially particularly helpful in 2023.

[browntrout]

I think at this point you trade Lindholm, he clearly is not committed to Calgary, recoup assets and move on

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Market value of the equivalent of a 1st and two 2nds for Hanifin is a fine framework for a trade to go by.

1sr this year and next year (or equivalent prospect) for Hanifin with 50% retained, would be late picks with the teams that think that this move could help them win now.

I would also take a top 10 1st this year, but nobody who has one will be trading it for a year of Hanifin with retention.

But no rush, chances are every other GM is seeing if they can pull one over on the rookie, wait until you get serious offers after the initial clown show.

[FlamesAddiction]

I agree that unless there are really good deals to be made, Conroy should just go into the season with these players under contract. They aren't going to lose value in my opinion. Honestly, I doubt a lot of teams are eager to sign these guys to 8 year extensions anyway when the 8th year is likely to be overpaying an aging player.

It would be nice to get more picks in this draft, but that is a minor thing IMO. Once free agency silly season is over and teams know where they stand, I think there will be a seller's trade market, especially is the Flames retain.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In the end I don't think the Iginla trade was Feaster's fault.

The issue was the trade was made 2-3 years too late.

Iginla was 35 years old, he had 22 points in 31 games, and he had a NTC that limited him to 2 teams.

You can't expect a huge return in that scenario.

Bouwmeester is a bit of an interesting one because his value was at an all time low in Calgary too. Never broke 30 points, team was in a bit of shambles. Getting a 1st back wasn't terrible business.

The issue with both those trades is they were adamant on getting 3 pieces back, and because of that the prospects they got back were kind of ####.

I also think Feaster heavily overvalued the prospects we got in return because Weisbrod turned on his blinders as he was want to do.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

At some point the best deal now is just not good enough to cave to, though. If that happens, just wait. It's not a binary choice.

I mean, maybe the pieces kinda are what they are worth? Maybe the market is telling you that? Depends on how low bally we are talking of course but an absolute stupid thing to do would be to go cruise into next season with 7 unhappy UFAs without an ability to sign them and lose them for nothing (and I know that is not what might happen, but I find it hard to believe the Flames can't get some kind of relevant value, considering what the Jets just got done...).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

One factor in the Bouwmeester and even Iginla returns was that the Flames got zero NHL games out of the two first round picks recouped. Had they hit on one of those picks those trades wouldn't have looked so bad.

Burakovsky over Poirier obviously would have been OK, but there's precious few players in the Klimchuk pick vicinity that have made any impact either. Hartman has played a lot of I guess but he's still meh outside of one season. You actually have to go late second/third round to find gold: Lekhonen, Bertuzzi, Carrier, Pesce, Buchnevich, Guentzel, Verhaeghe and Bjorkstrand.

[Flames1217]

Poirier was a great pick at the time.

Guy had drive, speed, a non-stop motor and a very good shot.

Poirier's downfall had to do with some personal demons that he couldn't shake. If not for those personal problems, odds are he turns into a very solid middle six tenacious winger.

Real shame though, a lot of scouts had him as a surefire prospect.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I mean, maybe the pieces kinda are what they are worth? Maybe the market is telling you that? Depends on how low bally we are talking of course but an absolute stupid thing to do would be to go cruise into next season with 7 unhappy UFAs without an ability to sign them and lose them for nothing (and I know that is not what might happen, but I find it hard to believe the Flames can't get some kind of relevant value, considering what the Jets just got done...).

I doubt this is going to be the case.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by browntrout

I think at this point you trade Lindholm, he clearly is not committed to Calgary, recoup assets and move on

“Clearly is not committed” seems to be an overreach based on currently available information.

[Sec214]

When I see people talking about Jay ####ing Feaster...

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I doubt this is going to be the case.

I agree. But what is worse I guess is the question; taking that risk, or taking slightly lesser value tomorrow?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I mean, maybe the pieces kinda are what they are worth? Maybe the market is telling you that? Depends on how low bally we are talking of course but an absolute stupid thing to do would be to go cruise into next season with 7 unhappy UFAs without an ability to sign them and lose them for nothing (and I know that is not what might happen, but I find it hard to believe the Flames can't get some kind of relevant value, considering what the Jets just got done...).

The market is telling me that Conroy is getting lowballed. If he's being offered 3rd round picks for Lindholm, no, that's not good enough.

And you are assuming they are unhappy, and even if they are, they will be looking to improve their stats.

I'm not sure what you mean by "an inability to sign them". They can sign them up to next season, and sign them before the TDL in order to give some team an 8 year deal.

The last thing you want your roookie GM to do is get bent over.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Sec214

When I see people talking about Jay ####ing Feaster...

Well you haven't given us anything to talk about today...so technically this is your fault.

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by Sec214

When I see people talking about Jay ####ing Feaster...

he takes your breath away and you are hot for him? not sure you have the right gif lol

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Or you can fall into the same trap we did with Brodie, Hamonic, Gaudreau, etc

These guys are healthy now and probably at peak value, waiting just creates additional risk.

You can't just wait for the perfect trade.

you can certainly wait past June

I'm glad they didn't go for something like what the Jets got

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by browntrout

I think at this point you trade Lindholm, he clearly is not committed to Calgary, recoup assets and move on

Can't make any firm conclusions based on what's been provided in the media. I still think he's taking the advice of his agent and trying to get the best deal possible. It's strategic at this point to acquire a contract for his player even if he is 100% committed to Calgary.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

he takes your breath away and you are hot for him? not sure you have the right gif lol

Like all my GIFs, its up your interpretation.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Sec214

When I see people talking about Jay ####ing Feaster...

I created a head cannon that he was a sleeper agent from Tampa trying to make the Flames worse to rub in the 04 cup