2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[BaconGuy]

Backlund will never be worth more in terms of trade bait for the organization as he is right now. If he isn’t will to sign to reasonable term and duration, you trade him to one of the teams not on his list. Also do it now coming off a career year opposed to at the trade deadline where a poor start to a season could derail trade value

Sell high connie!!

[Bonded]

I hope Backlund picks the contender right. That guy is the ultimate Flame and should have been the captain during the Sutter years. Hates the Oilers and hates the Canucks. Always showed up during the rivalries. I only wish he could have got a cup here. Send him to a team that will ensure the Oilers get eliminated.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I hope Backlund picks the contender right. That guy is the ultimate Flame and should have been the captain during the Sutter years. Hates the Oilers and hates the Canucks. Always showed up during the rivalries. I only wish he could have got a cup here. Send him to a team that will ensure the Oilers get eliminated.

I hope the Flames pick the best offer

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The good selling time was weeks ago. This is too late. We're being offered garbage because we came to the market as everyone was packing up.

Should have started the sell at the deadline. I would have preferred before but even starting then would be better than starting a few days ago in earnest, as has been reported.

There has been like 2 trades and nothing substantial...it's June

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I hope the Flames pick the best offer

Meh. I think he is going to get about the same wherever he goes and he mostly controls where he goes anyways

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Meh. I think he is going to get about the same wherever he goes and he mostly controls where he goes anyways

No such thing as about the same...decide which offer is best and take it

[stemit14]

Thought I would add to the over-the top aggressive trade proposals I made up earlier for the flames:

Trade #1:
To Pittsburgh: Lindholm
To Calgary: 2023 first round pick (14th overall) + Michael Granlund (cap dump) + 2024/2025 first round pick (Pittsburgh’s choice to be submitted before the 2024 TDL).


Trade #2:
To Buffalo: Hanifin
To Calgary: 2023 first round pick (13th overall) + 2023 2nd round pick (39th overall)


Trade #3:
To Carolina: Backlund (50% retained)
To Calgary: 2023 first round pick (30th overall) + 2023 second round pick (62nd overall)


Trade #4:
To New York: Toffoli (50% retained)
To Calgary: 2023 first round pick (23rd overall)


Trade #5:
To Detroit: 23rd overall + 39th overall + 48th overall
To Calgary: 17th overall


Result:

Flames could select 13th, 14th, 16th, 17th and 30th overall in the draft. Or they could use that draft capital to jump into the top 10.


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[Username: Flames]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Thought I would add to the over-the top aggressive trade proposals I made up earlier for the flames:

Trade #1:
To Pittsburgh: Lindholm
To Calgary: 2023 first round pick (14th overall) + Michael Granlund (cap dump) + 2024/2025 first round pick (Pittsburgh’s choice to be submitted before the 2024 TDL).


Trade #2:
To Buffalo: Hanifin
To Calgary: 2023 first round pick (13th overall) + 2023 2nd round pick (39th overall)


Trade #3:
To Carolina: Backlund (50% retained)
To Calgary: 2023 first round pick (30th overall) + 2023 second round pick (62nd overall)


Trade #4:
To New York: Toffoli (50% retained)
To Calgary: 2023 first round pick (23rd overall)


Trade #5:
To Detroit: 23rd overall + 39th overall + 48th overall
To Calgary: 17th overall


Result:

Flames could select 13th, 14th, 16th, 17th and 30th overall in the draft. Or they could use that draft capital to jump into the top 10.


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I want this to happen...but it's too good to be true.

[InternationalVillager]

Make the ####ing trades.

There will be new players to cheer for and before long- all will be forgotten.

Cycle of life.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The good selling time was weeks ago. This is too late. We're being offered garbage because we came to the market as everyone was packing up.

Should have started the sell at the deadline. I would have preferred before but even starting then would be better than starting a few days ago in earnest, as has been reported.

Sell at the deadline when they missed the playoffs by 1 point??

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Username: Flames

I want this to happen...but it's too good to be true.

I agree. But all it takes is the will of management to do it and for the teams they’re trading with to want these players.

I don’t think any of those trade proposals are an over-pay from the other teams:

-With the exception of the Hanifin trade, every trade includes cap relief for the other team in the form of either salary retention or taking on a salary dump contract in exchange.
-Not one of those trades is asking for a top prospect even… it’s all picks. Essentially magic beans.
-Calgary takes the biggest risk IMO since, in all likelihood, at best 2 of those 5 first round picks ever become impact players in the NHL. If it turns out 4/5 became impact players in the league, it will go down as one of the single best drafts any team has ever had - which is not very likely.
-The proposed teams acquiring players are all in “win now mode” in a division that is wide open so they can all use those players. Each one seems like a good fit for each player.


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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I agree. But all it takes is the will of management to do it and for the teams they’re trading with to want these players.

I don’t think any of those trade proposals are an over-pay from the other teams:

-With the exception of the Hanifin trade, every trade includes cap relief for the other team in the form of either salary retention or taking on a salary dump contract in exchange.
-Not one of those trades is asking for a top prospect even… it’s all picks. Essentially magic beans.
-Calgary takes the biggest risk IMO since, in all likelihood, at best 2 of those 5 first round picks ever become impact players in the NHL. If it turns out 4/5 became impact players in the league, it will go down as one of the single best drafts any team has ever had - which is not very likely.
-The proposed teams acquiring players are all in “win now mode” in a division that is wide open so they can all use those players. Each one seems like a good fit for each player.


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5 firsts this draft seems a little far fetched

[Flame On]

I'm starting to feel spiteful to these players. Like I want to trade them to bottom dwellers even if it makes no sense for the Flames. I mean I hope they don't. Good thing I'm not a GM!

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by dino7c

5 firsts this draft seems a little far fetched

Absolutely. I can’t think of any time a team has gone from 1 first round pick to 5 first round picks in a single draft in the span of 24 hours. It’s just a crazy trade proposal. Likely not enough time to hammer out all these trades anyways and it takes two to tango… the teams need to be willing to give up first round picks for players with one year left on their contracts. Not every team is willing to do that leading up to draft day - even if it is for a good player.

However, are any of those trades that outrageous or asking too much from the other teams? Looking at each trade individually I mean.


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[Boreal]

As good as this draft is, there is still a Tim Ramholt to be chosen before a Patrice Bergeron & a Shea Weber.

Sober second thoughts in future drafts with additional assets is a good thing.

[Redrum]

That's why we need 5 1st rounders. This looks like a good draft, so they can't all be Jessimans.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by FBI

What a lame ass quote. I liked Backlund too. Good riddance.

Lol what? You like Backlund for the decade and a half he was here and this one semi ambiguous quote and it’s good riddance? Lmao. Get bent

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Boreal

As good as this draft is, there is still a Tim Ramholt to be chosen before a Patrice Bergeron & a Shea Weber.

Sober second thoughts in future drafts with additional assets is a good thing.

The proposed trades I posted did include a 2024/2025 first round pick from Pittsburgh so the chance at a sober second thought in future drafts is there. I understand that acquiring additional prospects as well is ideal but teams are less eager to trade promising prospects that they have been developing already and could be cost-controlled during their competitive windows. Not many of the 2023 picks taken outside of the top ten will likely contribute much to those competitive teams within the next 1-2 years so they might be more willing to trade those picks instead of NHL-ready prospects.

There’s a risk to making picks of course. Picking 5 times in the first round, it is likely at best only 2 of those picks become impact NHLers. Drafting success can be greatly helped by not forcing your scouting staff to choose between equally skilled players that ranked close together.

Imagine if the flames left the first day of the draft with Cristall, Danielson, Wood, Musty and Ritchie… or say Moore, Danielson, Barlow, Willander and Simachev. Or any combination of those players. Who knows who would be available at picks 13, 14, 16, 17 and 30 but there would be a real chance to come out of the first round with a loaded prospect cupboard like that.

Conroy says he has 3 guys that they have on their list that they think might be there around 16… they could get all 3. Boston in 2015 is a cautionary tale for this strategy though. If you trust your scouting staff and think they have a good read on these players, then I think it’s a great move. Overall, I think the flames scouts have done pretty well with the picks they have made in recent drafts so I would feel confident if they had that many kicks at this draft.


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[Roof-Daddy]

"It sounds to me like....."

I love that phrase at the start of a post. It's always just someone taking a quote from a player/coach/GM/insider and hearing what they want to hear.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by stemit14

The proposed trades I posted did include a 2024/2025 first round pick from Pittsburgh so the chance at a sober second thought in future drafts is there. I understand that acquiring additional prospects as well is ideal but teams are less eager to trade promising prospects that they have been developing already and could be cost-controlled during their competitive windows. Not many of the 2023 picks taken outside of the top ten will likely contribute much to those competitive teams within the next 1-2 years so they might be more willing to trade those picks instead of NHL-ready prospects.

There’s a risk to making picks of course. Picking 5 times in the first round, it is likely at best only 2 of those picks become impact NHLers. Drafting success can be greatly helped by not forcing your scouting staff to choose between equally skilled players that ranked close together.

Imagine if the flames left the first day of the draft with Cristall, Danielson, Wood, Musty and Ritchie… or say Moore, Danielson, Barlow, Willander and Simachev. Or any combination of those players. Who knows who would be available at picks 13, 14, 16, 17 and 30 but there would be a real chance to come out of the first round with a loaded prospect cupboard like that.

Conroy says he has 3 guys that they have on their list that they think might be there around 16… they could get all 3. Boston in 2015 is a cautionary tale for this strategy though. If you trust your scouting staff and think they have a good read on these players, then I think it’s a great move. Overall, I think the flames scouts have done pretty well with the picks they have made in recent drafts so I would feel confident if they had that many kicks at this draft.


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Sounds like a potential cap nightmare in 4-5 years if all those guys come up at the same time and are playing well.

Would also have quite a few holes to plug in your roster between now and then if you’re sending out 5 players and only taking one (Granlund) back. Perhaps Coronato can take one spot but doesn’t sound like Zary or Piorier are particularly ready from what I’ve heard people close to the team say. Maybe Ruzika? But, as a manager, you also have to be mindful of your minor league teams, do there’s holes there to fill also if the plan is to graduate AHL players who may not even be ready for NHL mins.

So, you’re either looking to fill those spots by trading assets for NHL players or signing UFA’s which is terribly out of fashion.

I’m not against the principle here but I think it’s more realistic to gain a pick, or two, at this years draft and make some other moves over the course of the season for the 2024 draft. You may also need to take money back, specifically this year due to the modest cap increase. That’s fine so long as the returning players have 1-2 years left. You still need an NHL roster, not an NHL/AHL roster.