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ComixZone · 06-26-2023, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I have no idea how they fit in the cap though, even if Calgary retains.

Back to earlier in this thread, but I think Taylor Hall is going to get cap-dumped to the Flames regardless of what else happens.

Bonded · 06-26-2023, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Back to earlier in this thread, but I think Taylor Hall is going to get cap-dumped to the Flames regardless of what else happens.

I'd be happy with it especially if it comes with some hefty retention

Sec214 · 06-26-2023, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Back to earlier in this thread, but I think Taylor Hall is going to get cap-dumped to the Flames regardless of what else happens.

Isn't he currently hurt?

topfiverecords · 06-26-2023, 11:01 AM

Was just looking up the following:
Lindholm - no clause
Toffoli - no clause
Backlund - M-NTC 10 team trade list
Hanifin - M-NTC 8 team no trade list

StrykerSteve · 06-26-2023, 11:02 AM

If Calgary does in fact move out Hanafin, Lindholm, Toffoli and Backlund (and Vladar), they’ll be in a superb position to take on salary, if needed. Even retaining, they’ll open up a wealth of cap space in the process. Really strong position to put themselves in, if they play their cards right.

ComixZone · 06-26-2023, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sec214

Isn't he currently hurt?

Nope. Played all 7 games against the Panthers. Put up 8 points too.

We know the Flames have been interested in him numerous times before. We know he has Calgary ties and history. He also has some trade control.

Conroy wants to play a faster brand of hockey with more offense. Even if we aren't going to be good, Hall makes the team more entertaining.

Bonded · 06-26-2023, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Was just looking up the following:
Lindholm - no clause
Toffoli - no clause
Backlund - M-NTC 10 team trade list
Hanifin - M-NTC 8 team no trade list

Backlund is the hardest to move. I wouldn't be surprised if that is well into the summer or even deadline

CliffFletcher · 06-26-2023, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dustygoon

Juicy. Although from Yzerman's comments, it might be tough:

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nhl...-fits/1636394/

That’s a good quote. Though I would argue Bergreen and Wallinder aren’t core Detroit pieces going forward.

dino7c · 06-26-2023, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Nope. Played all 7 games against the Panthers. Put up 8 points too.

He is injured

Injured players play in the playoffs all the time

blankall · 06-26-2023, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

No, I'm saying that because he's been in the Flames system for seven years and attended six training camps he's shown he's not capable of playing in the NHL. He's had a number of opportunities to impress and has not done so. That's on the player.

What about the other coaches he didn't impress?

There is no player as small as Phillips. Small players may be finding their way onto more teams according to you, but not as many as you seem to think. League average for a forward has INCREASED to 72.91" and 197.67 pounds. There are only six players on rosters listed at 5'8" or shorter, the smallest being Cole Caufield at 5'7". Lightest players in the league are Jacob Pelletier (160 pounds) and Kailer Yamamoto (153 pounds). Save the AHL roster weight games being played. Phillips is demonstrably smaller than Pelletier and Pelletier is one of the smallest players in the league. Phillips would be the smallest by both measures.

What is most important is where would Phillips fit in the roster? The Flames are already small and will be getting smaller this year. They'll be adding Pelletier and Coronato to the roster to play along side small players in Mangiapane and Dube. They'll also be losing size with the departures of Lucic, Ritchie, and Lewis. While the loss of these guys is a great thing from a skill perspective the loss of their size is going to hurt the team. You can only have so many small players and the Flames are exceeding their limit up front.

Phillips is a Group VI free agent at the end of the month. He's had more than enough opportunities to catch on and has failed. Let him go and focus on making the team better with guys that look like they can play in the NHL. I don't see any upside bringing him back. If Conroy is entertaining this it is more of a statement how thin our system really is.

The thing is he really didn't have any opportunities to catch on. He played 2 games last year, with 9 minutes of ice time. Beyond that, he played 1 game in 2020/21, where he actually looked decent and had a couple of shots on net.

I think we have vastly different definitions of when a player has been given "more than enough" chances in the NHL.

The fact that Conroy is even talking to him shows that there's a chance he might have what it takes.

ComixZone · 06-26-2023, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

He is injured

Injured players play in the playoffs all the time

They LTIR'd him in March, but he was back and playing in the playoffs.

So is he injured? I haven't seen post-season discussion about him being injured and he certainly didn't look injured in the playoffs.

CliffFletcher · 06-26-2023, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Buffalo has so many amazing fwd prospects, in addition to some late-round gems. Would love to trade with them.

2023 1st
Kulich
Savoie
Quinn
Peterka
Krebs

Yeah, the Sabres have a lot of really nice prospects that would be a great fit on the Flames. Any two of 2023 1st/Savoie/Kulich and I’d be happy.

flamesgod · 06-26-2023, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Nope. Played all 7 games against the Panthers. Put up 8 points too.

We know the Flames have been interested in him numerous times before. We know he has Calgary ties and history. He also has some trade control.

Conroy wants to play a faster brand of hockey with more offense. Even if we aren't going to be good, Hall makes the team more entertaining.

Could actually see Hall and Huberdeau meshing pretty well.

the-rasta-masta · 06-26-2023, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sec214

Example would just be

Flames Acquire:
1st Rounder
X
X

Team X Acquires:
Elias Lindholm agrees to a 10.5x8 contract signed July 1.

Deal can still take place and players/agents wont pull fast ones on clubs.

But it would need to be the Flames that actually signed Lindholm in order to get that 8th year. So the player would need to be Flames property on the 1st, no? It wouldn't be showing as the Flames 1st rounder on draft day?

MrMike · 06-26-2023, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I have no idea how they fit in the cap though, even if Calgary retains.

Hall as a cap dump

stemit14 · 06-26-2023, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

Can't be a sign by Calgary until after the draft.

I think if Jarvis is involved (and he's a great get), you wouldn't in any event be getting the 30th and 62 in 2023 picks. Maybe a 2024 pick.

Jarvis is a huge get IMO.

I think he is a great target. Western Canadian. Played in the WHL. Pretty sure Calgary wanted him in the 2020 draft but he got taken by Carolina just a few spots before the flames could pick him… which may have lead to the flames trading down and selecting Zary.

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StrykerSteve · 06-26-2023, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

But it would need to be the Flames that actually signed Lindholm in order to get that 8th year. So the player would need to be Flames property on the 1st, no? It wouldn't be showing as the Flames 1st rounder on draft day?

At Lindholm’s age, not sure the receiving team would be too concerned with getting an 8th year. Hanafin, I could see where you’re coming from.

Sofa GM · 06-26-2023, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Nope. Played all 7 games against the Panthers. Put up 8 points too.

We know the Flames have been interested in him numerous times before. We know he has Calgary ties and history. He also has some trade control.

Conroy wants to play a faster brand of hockey with more offense. Even if we aren't going to be good, Hall makes the team more entertaining.

The problem is that to dump that contract they still have no assets that make the deal appealing. Unless you are talking 2025, 2026 1sts.

Ashes · 06-26-2023, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Nope. Played all 7 games against the Panthers. Put up 8 points too.

We know the Flames have been interested in him numerous times before. We know he has Calgary ties and history. He also has some trade control.

Conroy wants to play a faster brand of hockey with more offense. Even if we aren't going to be good, Hall makes the team more entertaining.

I actually don't hate the idea of bringing in Hall for 2 seasons if we're moving out the other UFA's. With his speed and north-south style of game he could possibly bring to the table what Duclair did for Huberdeau.

GioforPM · 06-26-2023, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Nope. Played all 7 games against the Panthers. Put up 8 points too.

We know the Flames have been interested in him numerous times before. We know he has Calgary ties and history. He also has some trade control.

Conroy wants to play a faster brand of hockey with more offense. Even if we aren't going to be good, Hall makes the team more entertaining.

Calgary gets paid to take him as a cap dump. Calgary gets paid to move him to a contender at the TDL. Buyer at the TDL could even LTIR him until the POs if it's appropriate (or close to).