[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Benn is garbage and that would hurt my fandom for this team.

Also the precise opposite thing you should be doing with a trade chip like Lindholm.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I hear ya bud. This talk of acquiring Jamie Benn though would put me damn close though. I hate Jamie Benn! I hate Jamie Benn more than any other player I can think of in history. Brian Marchment was a tough one to swallow but I endured. Todd Bertuzzi was puke worthy but I got through that. Jamie fn Benn though...please Christ no!

I passionately hate Jamie Benn. That would be the toughest pill, probably worse than Bert I agree

[jayswin]

I really don't care about how I perceive a player to be honest. All that matters is what they bring to the team and Benn would be an incredible misfit with where this team is right now. Like a catastrophic misfit.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Why'd he take a discount to Horvat?

When you're desperate like Lou was, you see overpays. You give up some nice pieces at the deadline for an expiring deal, you're just asking to be screwed on the contract. If I were an Islanders fan, I'd hate it as much as I would as a flames fan. Hell, even Lou hated that deal and said as much as the ink was drying.

Let's not overpay our own guys. Don't act out of desperation. Make a plan and stick with it when the easy thing to do is just offer another mil.

[dino7c]

8x8 is 64M

Is Lindholm really going to make more than that on another team? possible, risky though

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I've seen this mentioned a lot about Weegar, and it's got me wondering what it really means...

People used to praise Russell for being the best shot blocking D in the league, until someone pointed out that it's because the rest of his play lead to all the shots that needed to be blocked in the first place.

Is suppression the new blocking? It seems to me that having to suppress a shot really just means that your team doesn't have possession of the puck. Wouldn't a D who excels at helping to get and/or maintain puck possession be more valuable than a D who excels at what happens when you don't have possession?

I can only tell you my interpretation, but based on that, it’s the exact opposite of what you’re wondering.

Russell blocked a lot of shots because teams had no trouble generating shots against when he was on the ice. Bless him for accounting for that, and making up for it. Dude is a true warrior.

Among defenders who played at least 1400 minutes at even strength, Weegar ranks #1 in shots against per 60 minutes - 21.2. Drew Doughty at 24.89 ranks second.

He’s even better on the PK - he’s on the ice for like 38 shots per 60 - Hanifin, for comparison, is around 53 on the PK (played nearly 100 more PK minutes as well - baffling)

When Weegar is on the ice, opportunities to take shots on Calgary’s net are hard to come by. He excels at denying entry at the blue line, and he’s a fantastic transition player.

He doesn’t allow the puck into the zone, and when it does, he gets it out quick. Can’t shoot if you’re offside.


It’s why he’s also the best D on the team for Goals Against/60, and why he’s 15 shots better than Hanifin on the PK.

He’s the most out of place player on the roster, in that he’s actually better than we’re paying him, and he decided to stay.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I can only tell you my interpretation, but based on that, it’s the exact opposite of what you’re wondering.

Russell blocked a lot of shots because teams had no trouble generating shots against when he was on the ice. Bless him for accounting for that, and making up for it. Dude is a true warrior.

Among defenders who played at least 1400 minutes at even strength, Weegar ranks #1 in shots against per 60 minutes - 21.2. Drew Doughty at 24.89 ranks second.

He’s even better on the PK - he’s on the ice for like 38 shots per 60 - Hanifin, for comparison, is around 53 on the PK (played nearly 100 more PK minutes as well - baffling)

When Weegar is on the ice, opportunities to take shots on Calgary’s net are hard to come by. He excels at denying entry at the blue line, and he’s a fantastic transition player.

He doesn’t allow the puck into the zone, and when it does, he gets it out quick. Can’t shoot if you’re offside.


It’s why he’s also the best D on the team for Goals Against/60, and why he’s 15 shots better than Hanifin on the PK.

He’s the most out of place player on the roster, in that he’s actually better than we’re paying him, and he decided to stay.

Thanks, that makes sense.

I was looking at it from the perspective of "you can't shoot if you don't have the puck," so not giving them the puck is more valuable than suppressing shots. Which led me to wonder if a guy like Makar doesn't rate favourably in shot suppression because the other team just doesn't have the puck enough to generate as many suppression opportunities.

I didn't realize the stat was simply a quantitative measure of shots against though (in other words, possession is intrinsically factored in).

Edit: Or... in even more other words, I was wrong lol.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Unless you're Vegas

Florida hasn't picked in the top ten since 2014.
Dallas has 1 top ten pick since 2009

Carolina has had 4 top ten picks in the past ten years - but more of them play on the Flames than they do for the Hurricanes.

Outside of the Oilers (who took about 15 tries to get it right) its not exactly a huge correlation to being terrible and then winning.

The 2018 draft was 5 years ago:
1. Buffalo (still haven't made the playoffs)- still rebuilding
2. Carolina - they are good
3. Montreal - one of the worst teams in the league
4. Ottawa - still rebuilding
5. Arizona - still rebuilding
6. Detroit - still rebuilding
7. Vancouver - doing whatever they do
8. Chicago - still rebuilding
9. Rangers - they are good - although really none of their high picks worked out
10. Edmonton - 15 year rebuild finally ended.

[Jason14h]

One of the reason is very very few players actually come into the NHL and make any impact before their 21/22 year old season

The Flames were actually the exception with Monahan and MT. This is very rare .

So rebuilds should be 4-5 years from the first “star” being drafted if you are starting fresh

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

One of the reason is very very few players actually come into the NHL and make any impact before their 21/22 year old season

The Flames were actually the exception with Monahan and MT. This is very rare .

So rebuilds should be 4-5 years from the first “star” being drafted if you are starting fresh

Even the two 'good' teams on those lists - their star players are not high picks made during their rebuild.

For Carolina - Aho was a 2nd round pick, Necas was picked 12th overall, Slavin was a 4th round pick.

For the Rangers - Panarin (signed as a FA) - undrafted, Zibanejad - was a top ten pick by Ottawa in 2011 and acquired via a trade for not very much, Adam Fox - we all know this one but was a 3rd round pick, Shesterkin - 4th round pick

Zibanejad would actually be a decent comp for Lindholm - Swede, high pick, sputtered in his early career, traded, broke out at age 26 and just set a career high in points at age 29/30.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The Flames were actually the exception with Monahan and MT. This is very rare .

This. Nobody was expecting the turnaround to happen so fast. Unfortunately a couple of bad contracts prevented the team from truly building a consistent top 10 team.

[Sec214]

Live shot of Conroy.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Live shot of Conroy.

Me, still trying to understand this gif:

[Jiggy_12]

The gun is smoking. He pulled the trigger?

[getbak]

Oh no...

https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...with-a-shotgun

monkey-with-a-shotgun

Someone who isn't qualified to make life or death decisions, but is still entrusted with the power to do so.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Me, still trying to understand this gif:

Pretty sure it’s Conny laughing at what Lindholm’s camp is demanding $$$ wise

[howard_the_duck]

Laughing at the demands.

[shotinthebacklund]

Sec214 comes in again with a post that can mean dozens of things, and we will all overthink its meaning im sure. Well Done Sec, well done. Keep this thread on kicking it!

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I really don't care about how I perceive a player to be honest. All that matters is what they bring to the team and Benn would be an incredible misfit with where this team is right now. Like a catastrophic misfit.

I am 100% confident that any player we bring in, no matter how hated, will be considered a great acquisition before game one in October.

[Toonage]

What if one of Lindholm's demands was actually a monkey with a gun?