2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I put the chances of Markstrom bouncing back to all star at 5%. Average goaltender maybe 15% at best. He’s broken mentally from the oilers playoff rout. He’s older and I don’t think there’s much hope. He’ll be better than last year but to the degree he needs to be, doubtful.

All the more reason to just keep Markstrom then. Why pay prospects and picks to ship out Markstrom if we're going nowhere? The rumor was we could get a 2nd rounder for Vladar.

If other teams were trying to trade players like that and sending us picks, prospects, and salary retention, I'd consider it.

[Captain Otto]

I can't believe people buy into that narrative - broken by the Oilers.

These are professional athletes. You think 4 games broke his will? Come on. Really? There are/were a multitude of other significantly more impactful circumstances.

Anyways, off topic, but that narrative drives me crazy.



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[topfiverecords]

If they really thought that at the time they wouldn’t have been able to control themselves from tweeting it all over like an ugly dog drooling everywhere.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I put the chances of Markstrom bouncing back to all star at 5%. Average goaltender maybe 15% at best. He’s broken mentally from the oilers playoff rout. He’s older and I don’t think there’s much hope. He’ll be better than last year but to the degree he needs to be, doubtful.

I think this gets overplayed, we have seen goalies rebound after they left the Flames.
Look what Bob did for the Panthers. Lots of factors from one year to the next. Markstrom’s pride probably got hurt and it got into his head a little bit, plus there was a lot going on with the Flames last season. The year before when we got behind in games we had a top line that would get us right back in it. Where was that last season? Kind of hard to blame Markstrom for that.

[CFO]

Flames need to decide if zadorov is a top 4D. I think he is - needs to extra time and both special teams. Can't pay a third strong D that kind of money.

Build the D around weegar, Anderson, zadorov and kylingron.

Tanev, Hanafin to be traded.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I subscribe to the notion of 'second guessing' and/or 'over-compensating'. I think Markstrom always put in a big effort. I don't think for a second that he 'sulked' at all. I think it was 100% confidence + bad tendencies building up. I think some goalies don't have the ability to become #1 goalies - whether that's a mental issue, or an athletic issue (or both). I think some goalies were, but injuries (or age) make them less athletic. I think there is only so much one can do to adjust for past injuries and age, but there can be a lot done to just get you back into a nice stable mental space, especially if you have shown yourself capable of being there before.



I always remember Dubynk. When he was on the Oilers, I always thought he had it 'all', but wasn't putting it together. He got traded, and there were things leaked out from the acquiring teams how he had 'bad habits' and things to iron-out of his game. It wasn't until he suddenly became a Vezina goalie that the truth came out (as far as I remember anyway - think it came out afterwards). While playing behind Edmonton's defence, he learned not to trust them to do their jobs, and he ended up over-reacting and cheating. He simply got burned too many times, and without consciously thinking about it, he was overreacting and overplaying the position.


I forgot what goalie coach calmed him down, but in a better environment, Dubnyk 'settled' down, and trusted the defence in front of him again. His numbers dramatically improved to the point he won the Vezina.


Say what you will about the goalie coaches, etc... You may or may not be right about that. I think that the Flames were giving up way too many 'heart attack' chances, and these would be quick turnovers, and they would come after a long period of no shots against. Huska has stated that he wants to tweak the defensive system to decrease these chances against, and that a tweak that a lot of other teams incorporate already. I have no clue what that is, but IF it is effective, then I don't see why Markstrom can't get back to being such a tidy goalie. We forget that the year before we acquired him, that he was the ONLY goalie in the NHL that season to not give up a bad goal (clear line of sight, from distance, without having to move). You don't go from that to what we saw last season 'just because', especially when he wasn't injured.


I also don't think Sutter helped things, and maybe the pressure when things weren't going well just became unbearable. Let's see what Huska's changes brings, along with some roster movement, and some work that I am sure he will be putting in, ends up does for Markstrom's game. I would be more surprised if we don't see Markstrom bounce back noticeably than if he simply stays how he was last year. Maybe not 'Vezina finalist Markstrom', but he doesn't have to be. Just steady, #1 starter quality Markstrom. That's enough.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

I can't believe people buy into that narrative - broken by the Oilers.

These are professional athletes. You think 4 games broke his will? Come on. Really? There are/were a multitude of other significantly more impactful circumstances.

Anyways, off topic, but that narrative drives me crazy.



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Well, he’s been broken ever since.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Well, he’s been broken ever since.

And as I said, there are a multitude of other more significant factors for his poor performance.

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[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

And as I said, there are a multitude of other more significant factors for his poor performance.

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No doubt. His confidence has been zero. I like the guy but man, expecting a big bounce back at his age is a bit lofty.

[MrMike]

Hanifin for Garland and the 11th pick is a trade I could see. Vancouver is always trying to get better now, especially with buying out OEL I believe Hanifin is exactly what they are looking for and they have been looking at dumping Garlands contract as well. Possibly try for Boeser instead of Garland, bigger number but one less year.

[Sandman]

I’ve said it many times in here, but I think the problem is that Markstrom has always been a mediocre goalie, save for a couple of years in his prime when he managed to put it all together. I wasn’t excited when we aquired him, but I became a bit of a fan for about 1.5 seasons. I really believe you can’t win it all with him in net. Just my opinion of course.

[CgyFlamesftw]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

I can't believe people buy into that narrative - broken by the Oilers.

These are professional athletes. You think 4 games broke his will? Come on. Really? There are/were a multitude of other significantly more impactful circumstances.

Anyways, off topic, but that narrative drives me crazy.



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I agree with you. Funny however the Marek show last week was told from an oiler insider they all believe they broke the flames and that was their mission come playoff time to dismantle them. Was a good laugh.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Hanifin for Garland and the 11th pick is a trade I could see. Vancouver is always trying to get better now, especially with buying out OEL I believe Hanifin is exactly what they are looking for and they have been looking at dumping Garlands contract as well. Possibly try for Boeser instead of Garland, bigger number but one less year.

Pass. Hanifin has said he wants to play in the states. Other teams have better pkgs, plus garland is signed for $4.95 for 3 more years. Also double pass for helping a div opponent clear cap.

[Just a guy]

No one seems to recall that his wife had their first child last year and that may have had a huge effect. It seems to me he played much better after the birth. The unfortunate part is that the team was imploding by that time.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Just a guy

No one seems to recall that his wife had their first child last year and that may have had a huge effect. It seems to me he played much better after the birth. The unfortunate part is that the team was imploding by that time.

ForeverFlameFan mentioned that in post 1198.

[Just a guy]

Originally Posted by butterfly

ForeverFlameFan mentioned that in post 1198.

Did not read the whole thread. Just the last couple pages. Still think it is valid.

[Spurs]

It was also shown to be false he had a .898 sv % in 14 games in March after his baby was born. Then .914 in 6 games in April.

So I guess if you want to say it took a month to recover and put a lot of weight in those 6 games at the end of the season you could say things changed after the birth of his baby.

[Flamesfan05]

Markstrom never played well against the McDrai Oilers long before he became a Flames

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Markstrom never played well against the McDrai Oilers long before he became a Flames

Neither does any goalie, what's your point?

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

I can't believe people buy into that narrative - broken by the Oilers.

These are professional athletes. You think 4 games broke his will? Come on. Really? There are/were a multitude of other significantly more impactful circumstances.

Anyways, off topic, but that narrative drives me crazy.



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The only players broken by the Oilers are the Oilers.