[Rumour] The Athletic: Flames firesale

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Yeah. I get that too. But it’s classic business speak to force results. It’s amazing in the corporate world to see yes men accept challenges and force results down when those on the lower levels have a more objective view that it won’t work or isn’t working. Until organizations have proper checks and balances and flow of information honestly throughout this type of thing will continue to happen. One aspect with what sec said about Edwards was good in that they were open to what most would call a rebuild, but to promise that it would get done within 3 years and ensure it happens within that timeframe is where things go wrong. There are unknowns like how the prospects are developing, or guys getting injured out of nowhere really requires communication to say they’ll need a year or two extra. Especially if those prospects didn’t pan out. What I will also say is they better invest in all things development to ensure they develop these new guys well. Can’t afford to be mediocre in their approach.

Putting a 3 year limit on executing a plan is so foolish. Why not take a couple extra years if necessary and do it right? If they are truly that short sighted the organization is doomed.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Lundell has to be in any Florida deal for hanifin, lindy or even toffoli.

For Hanifin or Lindy I could see the Panthers including him. For Toffoli? No chance.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

If you were Edwards and knew some teams were bad for a decade, would you want a commitment to how long a rebuild would take? Seems like a reasonable question to ask your executives.


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Which is exactly why you should be proactive.

I highly doubt the profit margin is drastically different watching a bunch of overpaid veterans miss the playoffs year after year in comparison to watching your prospects do the same. At least the prospect group has hope, will likely get better, and most likely play with full effort. Probably the exact opposite of the veteran group.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

If you were Edwards and knew some teams were bad for a decade, would you want a commitment to how long a rebuild would take? Seems like a reasonable question to ask your executives.


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Originally Posted by Hackey

Putting a 3 year limit on executing a plan is so foolish. Why not take a couple extra years if necessary and do it right? If they are truly that short sighted the organization is doomed.

That’s my point. It’s fine to give an approximate of what you may want to accomplish in three years or where you want to be but forcing say, at two years and holding an executive absolutely accountable leads to bad deals like signing vets to seven year deals going all in, just to save their skin. You have a good discussion leading up to that on where they are and if within reason give leeway to do it right. Cowboys like Burke and Treliving understand the corporate world and try and sell ownership by fast tracking and ultimately it fails. Good organizations can have honest discussions. St. Louis could’ve ultimately fallen into the same trap as us this year but decided to sell off assets because they realized they weren’t where they needed and they needed a core shakeup.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

If you were Edwards and knew some teams were bad for a decade, would you want a commitment to how long a rebuild would take? Seems like a reasonable question to ask your executives.


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Pretty foolish question, as the answer is always unknown.

Answer this questions. How will the draft picks pan out?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Wright (SEA), Savoie (BUF), Byfield (LA), Lundell (FLA), Johnston (DAL) should all be targets for the Flames if they’re trading Lindholm.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Wright (SEA), Savoie (BUF), Byfield (LA), Lundell (FLA), Johnston (DAL) should all be targets for the Flames if they’re trading Lindholm.

Obviously some of those players need more adders than others…..Johnston needs a sweetener from the Flames (or take a bad contract), the rest need something more added

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Pretty foolish question, as the answer is always unknown.

Answer this questions. How will the draft picks pan out?

I guess we disagree. The Flames are mocked for holding onto some established players for these same draft picks. If you are the majority owner sitting there listening to a pitch for a rebuild where you sell all your established players and your GM can’t even give you a relative time estimate because the draft picks may not pan out, then I can understand the resistance to a rebuild. Giving away established talent seems silly unless it is for good value in return.

If some of the picks don’t work out then the team could be in a decade of irrelevance. It’s not my money. I am saying that the majority owner of the team probably wants a plan more than sell all the players, be bad for a few years, and see what you have if anything.


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[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Wright (SEA), Savoie (BUF), Byfield (LA), Lundell (FLA), Johnston (DAL) should all be targets for the Flames if they’re trading Lindholm.

None will be available to the Flames. If you target these guys we probably need to add.

We will be getting picks and lessor prospects or RFA's that other teams are having troubles signing.

[Iggy Snipe]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

None will be available to the Flames. If you target these guys we probably need to add.

We will be getting picks and lessor prospects or RFA's that other teams are having troubles signing.

I disagree strongly. Lindy will fetch a massive haul if traded before the season starts. Easily gets you one of those guys. Lindy is a 40 goal guy and is one of the best two way players in the game.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Firesale or not, rebuild or not.. I am just happy that Treliving is no longer here. This isn't to say he was a crappy GM, but there were too many issues. We can argue about what those were or weren't, but at the end of the day, that GM was never able to achieve any sort of playoff success in his 9 years here, and above all other reasons, that's why I wanted him gone.


I think Conroy will do a good job at re-stabilizing this franchise. Whether or not he rebuilds, I also think Conroy will prioritize draft picks a little more. He has worked much closer with that department - and has scouted a lot himself as well.



I 100% prefer a rebuild simply because I think this team needs it, and I believe that the strength of this organization is in the drafting and development department. Whatever path is decided, I am more confident in the future of the Flames than I was two months ago.

[Iggy Snipe]

The way I see it

Trade Backlund for a prospect and a pick
Trade Lindholm for a blue chip prospect and a pick
Trade Toffoli for a pick and a young prospect
Trade Hanifin for a pick and a young prospect
Trade Vladar for a pick

If done right, the flames should be bringing in a minimum of 4 young NHL ready players with zero to 2 years experience, and 3-5 picks in the first three rounds.

This is the best situation the Calgary Flames have ever been in. All 5 of these players are desired and will bring in big offers. All five are also needing a change of scenery, and have played their best seasons. None of them besides maybe hanifin, will play to the level they have in the past. So why pay them stupid money? This is a blessing. I hope we do not sign any of them, except Lindy. The rest can pack their shat.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Iggy Snipe

The way I see it

Trade Backlund for a prospect and a pick
Trade Lindholm for a blue chip prospect and a pick
Trade Toffoli for a pick and a young prospect
Trade Hanifin for a pick and a young prospect
Trade Vladar for a pick

If done right, the flames should be bringing in a minimum of 4 young NHL ready players with zero to 2 years experience, and 3-5 picks in the first three rounds.

This is the best situation the Calgary Flames have ever been in. All 5 of these players are desired and will bring in big offers. All five are also needing a change of scenery, and have played their best seasons. None of them besides maybe hanifin, will play to the level they have in the past. So why pay them stupid money? This is a blessing. I hope we do not sign any of them, except Lindy. The rest can pack their shat.

Plus cap space that can be used in a variety of ways

[SutterBrother]

Scorched earth, build through the draft.

Iginla, Fleury, McDonald - all western Canadian boys. Get guys who have some attachment to this part of the world.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Western Canadian boys and Russians, since the climate will remind them of home without the s###storm attached

[Sandman]

Boycott Americans!!!

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Scorched earth, build through the draft.

Iginla, Fleury, McDonald - all western Canadian boys. Get guys who have some attachment to this part of the world.

I know it’s a loooooong ways away, but I hope we said aside cap for a massive push for Makar in the summer of 2027.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Scorched earth, build through the draft.

Iginla, Fleury, McDonald - all western Canadian boys. Get guys who have some attachment to this part of the world.

Flames drafted one of them...with a late pick

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I know it’s a loooooong ways away, but I hope we said aside cap for a massive push for Makar in the summer of 2027.

How dare you think 5seasons away! This is sports...let's just get in and see what happens.

[442scotty]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Wright (SEA), Savoie (BUF), Byfield (LA), Lundell (FLA), Johnston (DAL) should all be targets for the Flames if they’re trading Lindholm.

Wright looks like a bust at this point does he not?