[Trade] Kevin Hayes (50% retained) to St. Louis for a 2024 6th round pick

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Probably easy for me to say sitting at home with no chance of ever being traded, but I don't get refusing a deal from a team that clearly doesn't want you to be there.

I can get not wanting to go to Phllly, but there is a good chance they will do what they can to move you on to somewhere you want to go.

Maybe Krug thinks he can force St. Louis to make that deal, but if they don't sticking around a team that clearly doesn't want you seems to be a terrible situation to stay around for.

These guys’ lives isn’t just hockey. They have wives and kids. Those wives and kids have friends. Go to school. Become attached to the community.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

These guys’ lives isn’t just hockey. They have wives and kids. Those wives and kids have friends. Go to school. Become attached to the community.

Fair enough, I guess for me living in St. Louis isn't enough that I would want to stop a team for dealing me, but for others it might not be the case. I would have thought that for a NHLer you, and your wife, would know that part of getting paid millions means that your life might be moving around for 10-15 years while you make money that sets you up for a great life where you want after.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Fair enough, I guess for me living in St. Louis isn't enough that I would want to stop a team for dealing me, but for others it might not be the case. I would have thought that for a NHLer you, and your wife, would know that part of getting paid millions means that your life might be moving around for 10-15 years while you make money that sets you up for a great life where you want after.

A great life for you and generations to come.. when its all set and done, Krug would make about $50 MM in career earnings

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Fair enough, I guess for me living in St. Louis isn't enough that I would want to stop a team for dealing me, but for others it might not be the case. I would have thought that for a NHLer you, and your wife, would know that part of getting paid millions means that your life might be moving around for 10-15 years while you make money that sets you up for a great life where you want after.

St Louis is at the rock bottom of NHL cities I'd ever choose to live, especially if I had a family.

With 64.54 murders per 100,000 residents, St. Louis had the highest murder rate for any major American city in 2019.

!@#$ St. Louis.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Fair enough, I guess for me living in St. Louis isn't enough that I would want to stop a team for dealing me, but for others it might not be the case. I would have thought that for a NHLer you, and your wife, would know that part of getting paid millions means that your life might be moving around for 10-15 years while you make money that sets you up for a great life where you want after.

But he chose St. Louis for a reason and negotiated a full NTC as part of the deal so he won’t have to move at the whim of his employer.

[Spurs]

This is not meant to be a shot at Krug because he is far from the only guy to do it and as someone with a family talking about moving away from the city we have lived for 20+ years I understand the difficulties moving has a family, but I also think going into work where they clearly wanted to get rid of you would suck.

Maybe I am overrating the feelings the team and other players would have towards him but knowing that the team could have made a team that would make them more competitive or improve them would have to be frustrating to players. But maybe they have more understanding/respect for NTC so it wouldn't be an issue at all.

[BrownDrake]

When your are in an industry where your average career length is sub 10 years you go anywhere the money is highest.

On your last contract it’s probably a combo of chance to win and money.

Move the family wherever the hell you want after you are done. These guys are travelling so much during the year they aren’t home anyway, I’ve never understood that from the NHL players over the past 15 years it’s became a thing, probably has something to do with parenting nowadays or entitlement.

[SuperMatt18]

My guess is Krug would probably only waive for Boston and that's going to be tough with their situation.

It probably puts a hold on the DeAngelo deal as well since maybe it impacts a salary retention slot

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Spurs

This is not meant to be a shot at Krug because he is far from the only guy to do it and as someone with a family talking about moving away from the city we have lived for 20+ years I understand the difficulties moving has a family, but I also think going into work where they clearly wanted to get rid of you would suck.

Maybe I am overrating the feelings the team and other players would have towards him but knowing that the team could have made a team that would make them more competitive or improve them would have to be frustrating to players. But maybe they have more understanding/respect for NTC so it wouldn't be an issue at all.

Its not necessarily that St. Louis wants to get rid of Krug, but more that Philly wants him in return to offset the loss on their blueline and wont deal Sanheim to them without TK coming back.

Sanheim is the jewel here for Doug Armstrong, not Hayes.

[sureLoss]

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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Its not necessarily that St. Louis wants to get rid of Krug, but more that Philly wants him in return to offset the loss on their blueline and wont deal Sanheim to them without TK coming back.

Sanheim is the jewel here for Doug Armstrong, not Hayes.

The Blues would love to get rid of Krug. Very badly.

Philly would prefer not getting him, but them taking on Krug is why they are getting a first round pick.

The Blues won't do the deal simply leaving Krug out of it. Philly would love to.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by BrownDrake

When your are in an industry where your average career length is sub 10 years you go anywhere the money is highest.

On your last contract it’s probably a combo of chance to win and money.

Move the family wherever the hell you want after you are done. These guys are travelling so much during the year they aren’t home anyway, I’ve never understood that from the NHL players over the past 15 years it’s became a thing, probably has something to do with parenting nowadays or entitlement.

None of that is relevant to Krug. He's already played 11 years of pro hockey and is under contract for another 4. He has a guaranteed contract that will pay him the same wherever he plays and a full no-trade clause for 2 more years. He gains nothing by accepting this trade and loses nothing by refusing it.

The players aren't home a lot of the year, but their wives are. By all accounts, the Blues have one of the best support systems for the players' wives and families. Many players choose to live in St. Louis after retirement, even those who have played in many different cities during their careers.

The reason it has become more common in the last 15 years is because no-trade clauses have become more common. Players have earned the right to control where and when they get traded. It shouldn't be a surprise when they use that right.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

St Louis is at the rock bottom of NHL cities I'd ever choose to live, especially if I had a family.
!@#$ St. Louis.

Yeah, but that is like any big American city. NHL players will be in the fancy suburbs and far away from any of that. I lived in KC and actually really enjoyed it but it also had a no go zone.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

St Louis is at the rock bottom of NHL cities I'd ever choose to live, especially if I had a family.



!@#$ St. Louis.

That's looking at St Louis city alone, and not St Louis County. The downtown is a disaster, which oddly enough has been democratically controlled for many years. The rest of the city falls well below most averages in the country.

Lots of St Louis sport stars stay in town after retiring for good reason.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's always interesting to block a trade.

We don't want you anymore and are trading garbage in and garbage out.

No I won't go.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Probably easy for me to say sitting at home with no chance of ever being traded, but I don't get refusing a deal from a team that clearly doesn't want you to be there.

I can get not wanting to go to Phllly, but there is a good chance they will do what they can to move you on to somewhere you want to go...

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

These guys’ lives isn’t just hockey. They have wives and kids. Those wives and kids have friends. Go to school. Become attached to the community.

To add to this, even if management has made a decision to move you, that doesn't mean that you don't already have a great relationship with your current teammates and coaches. It could be preferred by your teammates that you stay, which I think would be a huge incentive to decline a trade.

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[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Probably easy for me to say sitting at home with no chance of ever being traded, but I don't get refusing a deal from a team that clearly doesn't want you to be there.

I can get not wanting to go to Phllly, but there is a good chance they will do what they can to move you on to somewhere you want to go.

Maybe Krug thinks he can force St. Louis to make that deal, but if they don't sticking around a team that clearly doesn't want you seems to be a terrible situation to stay around for.

If you can’t see why they would refuse a deal to a random city you probably are also in the camp that when a player asks for a trade the team should swiftly move the player. Hard to understand why a team would want a player that does not want to play for that team, it seems like it would be a terrible situation to have a player on your team who does not want to be there.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If you can’t see why they would refuse a deal to a random city you probably are also in the camp that when a player asks for a trade the team should swiftly move the player. Hard to understand why a team would want a player that does not want to play for that team, it seems like it would be a terrible situation to have a player on your team who does not want to be there.

Yes I would look to move players away when they request a trade.

It also isn't a random city it is one of 31 cities in a league in which you know has trades.

He also negotiated the NTC so is well within his rights, I am saying for me I can't imagine wanting to stay in that situation.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, but that is like any big American city. NHL players will be in the fancy suburbs and far away from any of that. I lived in KC and actually really enjoyed it but it also had a no go zone.

Kansas City is way better than St. Louis.

[BrownDrake]

Originally Posted by getbak

None of that is relevant to Krug. He's already played 11 years of pro hockey and is under contract for another 4. He has a guaranteed contract that will pay him the same wherever he plays and a full no-trade clause for 2 more years. He gains nothing by accepting this trade and loses nothing by refusing it.

The players aren't home a lot of the year, but their wives are. By all accounts, the Blues have one of the best support systems for the players' wives and families. Many players choose to live in St. Louis after retirement, even those who have played in many different cities during their careers.

The reason it has become more common in the last 15 years is because no-trade clauses have become more common. Players have earned the right to control where and when they get traded. It shouldn't be a surprise when they use that right.

I get why they are doing it, mostly because GMs were dumb, the NMC or NTC should’ve been reserved for franchise players IMO. I respectfully disagree on the larger issue, hockey players should be playing where they are wanted, it’s a short career and teams both development and professional are spread everywhere and there is no home for a hockey player until you are retired. It’s become such an issue for smaller market teams and for the most part Canadian teams.