Russia invades Ukraine

[Reggie Dunlop]

I wonder if Theoren Fleury is on the phone with Vladimir Putin offering his hockey analogies as cryptic military advice.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Cheese

https://twitter.com/user/status/1672506334615425024

https://twitter.com/user/status/1672510812941074433


Clearly this was planned for a long time and has support from Oligarchs and military.

The military, yes. The oligarchs, probably not.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Then what did you mean? Use your words like a big boy...

Read what I posted, you can do it from your scooter.

[MarchHare]

2021: The Russian military is #2 in the world!
2022: The Russian military is #2 in Ukraine!
2023: The Russian military is #2 in Russia!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Does Putin have a physical button that he can push to end the world?
I don't know but I have my doubts.

My guess is that there needs to be a chain of events that lead to a world ending nuclear launch. Do Putin and/or their subordinates agree to vapourise everyone they know and love?

Not a button as much as a communications device. Both Putin and the General Staff control the launch authorization codes


https://nuke.fas.org/guide/russia/c3i/

Until the disintegration of the Soviet Union its C3 system was built on the principle of launch-on-warning [LOW]. This posture remains in effect, and procedures are regularly exercised. The Russian command system is poised to obtain nuclear weapons release authority within 10 minutes from the President, the Defense Minister, or the Chief of the General Staff, through the Cheget nuclear suitcase. Physical control of the unlock and launch authorization codes resides with the military, the General Staff has direct access to these codes, and can initiate a missile attack with or without the permission of political authorities.

Following the American pattern, the unlock and launch authorization codes held by the General Staff at their command centers can be sent directly to individual weapons commanders, who would execute the launch procedures

Just to compare, the American protocol is mechanically the same, but fundamentally different politically.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Codes

Should the president decide to order the launch of nuclear weapons, the president would be taken aside by the carrier of the nuclear football and the briefcase would be opened.[3] The president would then decide which attack options (specific orders for attacks on specific targets) to use. The attack options are preset war plans developed under OPLAN 8010, and include major attack options (MAOs), selected attack options (SAOs) and limited attack options (LAOs). The chosen attack option and the Gold Codes would then be transmitted to the NMCC via a special secure channel.



As commander-in-chief, the president is the only individual with the authority to order the use of nuclear weapons.[9] The president and another high-ranking official, such as the vice president or secretary of defense, must jointly authenticate the order to use nuclear weapons.[6] Nuclear-defense policy expert Franklin Miller states that the president has almost single authority to initiate a nuclear attack; though the secretary of defense is required to verify the order, they cannot legally veto it.[10]



However, Section 4 of the Twenty-fifth Amendment of the Constitution allows for the vice president, together with a majority of cabinet heads or Congress, to declare the president disabled or unfit to execute the duties of the office.[11]

[Pointman]

Belarus press reports that Prigozhin allegedly stopped his advances after negotiations with Lukashenka. This is denied by Prigozhin's telegram account, only to be confirmed seven minutes later.

[topfiverecords]

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Originally Posted by Jacks

Read what I posted, you can do it from your scooter.

Originally Posted by Jacks

don't be a jackass.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Belarus press reports that Prigozhin allegedly stopped his advances after negotiations with Lukashenka. This is denied by Prigozhin's telegram account.

Negotiations over what?

[dammage79]

Didn't think I'd get to see a Russian revolution in my lifetime. Sad for the common folk, but I'm here for the natural Russian way of wholesale clear out of old corruption to be replace by new corruption. It has always been the Russian way.

[Pointman]

It's official now, Wagner is turning around and riding back into their camps. What they received for stopping is not clear.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Negotiations over what?

No idea. Nothing is clear at this point except that Prigozhin says that he's calling Wagner back into their camps. And it was Belarus who first broke the news, so Lukashenka was likely involved indeed.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Pointman

It's official now, Wagner is turning around and riding back into their camps. What they received for stopping is not clear.

Shoigu stepping down?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by BowRiverBruinsRule

Canada has never been a military power and may never be for obvious reasons. Do you feel better now that you got your Trudeau drive by in? Have a nice Saturday.

Umm Luke Skywalker would have a field day with this post.

At the end of the second World War Canada had the third largest navy in the world. A large standing army and a decently strong airforce.

In the 50's and 60's and even into the early 70's Canada had a fairly powerful navy capable of power projection with various carriers including the final carrier which was decommissioned in the 70's.

A very robust air force that could support not only the defense of canadian air space, but also the protection of NATO with permanent deployments.

Our army itself had not only what was considered to be among the highest trained troops in NATO but several heavy formations including a heavy tank brigade in Europe.

Canada was also part of the nuclear siop, with the ability and possession of nuclear arms in Europe as well as nuclear depth charges with the navy and theoretical anti-air nuclear tipped missiles.

And yes, absolutely Pierre Trudeau and the Liberals killed the Canadian Military, with a combination of vindictive hatred of the armed forces and a desire to spend money elsewhere. But conservatives like Mulroney not doing much to save it or rebuild it, but instead deepening the rot.

By the time we got to Afghanistan the deep rot was clear and Harper had to panic buy equipment, not strategically buy.

The question from JL Granetstein in his excellent book "Who killed the Canadian Military?" does need to be examined as our forces are at a frighteningly low level of capability and readiness. It was the Liberals and Conservatives and also the voter base.


Right now (And yes its hyperbole, but fun hyperbole to cover a pathetic situation). Canada would lose a confrontation with the mighty nation of Tongo. Or a determined boyscout troop.

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Didn't think I'd get to see a Russian revolution in my lifetime. Sad for the common folk, but I'm here for the natural Russian way of wholesale clear out of old corruption to be replace by new corruption. It has always been the Russian way every country's way for hundreds of years. Some just worse than others

Fixed your post.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Shoigu stepping down?

Rumors: Shoigu AND Gerasimov step down, Wagner is not forced to sign contracts with official Russian army. Nothing is confirmed yet.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Pointman

It's official now, Wagner is turning around and riding back into their camps. What they received for stopping is not clear.

Sounds like they possibly stopped to start negotiations?

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Sounds like they possibly stopped to start negotiations?

It's understood that negotiations are concluded. Prigozhin stayed in Rostov and negotiated while his columns, without him, were advancing to Moscow. As they were some distance away, he called in for them to turn around and return home.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by BowRiverBruinsRule

Canada has never been a military power and may never be for obvious reasons. Do you feel better now that you got your Trudeau drive by in? Have a nice Saturday.

Do you even History bro…?

[CaptainCrunch]

At the end of the day the Wagner Group is a private mercenary company, so they probably got a hefty rate increase, and paid dinner break and a amazon gift card.

[burn_this_city]

I think this only delays the inevitable. Now that everyone sees the regime is weak there will be future power grabs. Also don’t see how Shoigu and Gerisamov resigning really fixes the top to bottom corruption in the Russian army.