[Rumour] Friedman: Flames may go after Duclair

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Based on what evidence do you think it is reasonable to believe the Calgary Flames can compete with the Stanley Cup Champions for the division?

Based on the fact that the team won the division last year, and has several very good players on the roster who dramatically underachieved this season, and yet still barely missed the playoffs. But, neither of us really knows, since there are so many moving pieces. We will see how things look in September, but right now the Flames could be anything.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Based on the fact that the team won the division last year, and has several very good players on the roster who dramatically underachieved this season, and yet still barely missed the playoffs. But, neither of us really knows, since there are so many moving pieces. We will see how things look in September, but right now the Flames could be anything.

I just can't look at that 21/22 team and draw anything from it anymore. That team lost their two best players, and no team can take something like that in stride. Markstrom posted a career-best season. That season was peak for that "build" of the team, but looking at it for the basis for any comparison to the roster as it is today just doesn't work for me. A number of pieces of that 21/22 that are still here are entering that danger-zone age-wise and there isn't a new wave of young talent to compensate for that in my eyes.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I just can't look at that 21/22 team and draw anything from it anymore. That team lost their two best players, and no team can take something like that in stride. Markstrom posted a career-best season. That season was peak for that "build" of the team, but looking at it for the basis for any comparison to the roster as it is today just doesn't work for me. A number of pieces of that 21/22 that are still here are entering that danger-zone age-wise and there isn't a new wave of young talent to compensate for that in my eyes.

Right. I think differently, and here we are.

It is a good bet that the current roster lands somewhere between what happened in 2021-22 and 2022-23. The unanswerable question is, "Where?"

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[Caged Great]

Frankly anything more than a 4th for Duclair is overpaying at this point. 3 million for a marginal 3rd liner is not good value.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Right. I think differently, and here we are.

It is a good bet that the current roster lands somewhere between what happened in 2021-22 and 2022-23. The unanswerable question is, "Where?"

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It was a good bet. Circumstances appear to have changed quite dramatically.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

What about Tanev for Duclair? If Hanifin is too much, Tanev for Duclair makes sense.

Expiring Tanev for a guy who will help Huberdeau play better sounds fine to me.

Just trade the other 4 for futures (doesn't have to be now).

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Right. I think differently, and here we are.

It is a good bet that the current roster lands somewhere between what happened in 2021-22 and 2022-23. The unanswerable question is, "Where?"

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Yeah this is more of where we differ.

I don't think this roster as-is today finishes better than they did last season.

I think Father time has an impact, and I think there's a wave of teams with impactful young players coming into the league that will make an impact while some of our most important players won't be able to keep up (Backlund, Kadri, Markstrom, Tanev specifically).

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Frankly anything more than a 4th for Duclair is overpaying at this point. 3 million for a marginal 3rd liner is not good value.

You may not like the player but there is some serious undervaluing going on here with Duclair. Why on earth would Florida move him for that price? He put up 30 goals last year and looked back to his old self in the playoffs again, I would expect him to score 30 for them next year again. He's a top six winger with electrifying speed, not some marginal 3rd liner.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Saqe

You may not like the player but there is some serious undervaluing going on here with Duclair. Why on earth would Florida move him for that price? He put up 30 goals last year and looked back to his old self in the playoffs again, I would expect him to score 30 for them next year again. He's a top six winger with electrifying speed, not some marginal 3rd liner.

Shhhhh.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Saqe

You may not like the player but there is some serious undervaluing going on here with Duclair. Why on earth would Florida move him for that price? He put up 30 goals last year and looked back to his old self in the playoffs again, I would expect him to score 30 for them next year again. He's a top six winger with electrifying speed, not some marginal 3rd liner.

Man a lot has changed since May 18th.

Originally Posted by Saqe

He has been good the last couple of games, not before at all.

Or May 5th.

Originally Posted by Saqe

Yes he has some hands and some skill but physically he gets handled all the time and is a liability in the defensive zone. Heck, even in the offensive zone because he can immediately lose the puck.

He got benched last year in the playoffs and already once this year. He wouldn't even be playing if Florida had anyone they could use. Especially now that Lomberg is down.

Originally Posted by Saqe

Duclair another ####ter who has no business being in the top six. Loses every physical battle. I hate watching that guy.

Or April 19th

Originally Posted by Saqe

He should be playing fourth line minutes but instead gets top six and PP time. Maurice things I guess.

Funny how you trashed him pretty much the entire playoffs...but now he's a bonafide top 6 forward with lots of value since his name is in trade rumours. I actually have no issue with the Flames adding him, but don't think he should have a ton of value either and IMO is the most likely player Florida moves to create cap space.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

^LOL @ Saqe being busted.

I knew Duclair wouldn't be super effective last year after such a long layoff, but I was pleasantly surprised to see that his wheels were still there. You never know with an achilles injury, but he looked as fast as ever. Did pretty well in the playoffs considering.

I'm not paying a lot to get Duclair, but he is still a talented and speedy winger, so that has value. I think he's pretty much automatic for 20 goals, and could hit 30 with the right linemates. Considering Toffoli is as good as gone, we need someone else to score a goal here and there. Couple that with Florida's major need on defense and a Zadorov or Tanev for Duclair trade makes a lot of sense.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

How about waiting a year for Duclair to hit free agency rather than involving him in a deal centered around one of the organizations prime trade chips? It's not like the Flames are on the cusp of winning a cup next season.

The Flames aren’t trading Hanifin for Duclair. And they aren’t going to wait because they still want to compete this year.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah this is more of where we differ.

I don't think this roster as-is today finishes better than they did last season.

I think Father time has an impact, and I think there's a wave of teams with impactful young players coming into the league that will make an impact while some of our most important players won't be able to keep up (Backlund, Kadri, Markstrom, Tanev specifically).

I think trying to predict next years finish based on today's roster is a waste of time, we could have young impact players come in, we could have overpaid free agents, we could just get picks that are a couple years out.
This could be a playoff team, could finish 26th at worst I think.
I think we trade a couple guys at the draft and hold a couple till the deadline where even if you're in playoff contention you still have to trade.
Might be too hard to complete all the moves rumoured in such a short timeframe.

[Spurs]

Duclair likely is worth more than a 4th but to the Flames I don't think he should be. He should not be used in anyway as a piece with any value in a deal. Whatever he is worth I would take that over him.

He is 100% the kind of player we should not be adding to this team.

[cannon7]

Hope this is Friedman just pulling things out of his ass.

If Conroy is actually considering this then the season is lost.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Right. I think differently, and here we are.

It is a good bet that the current roster lands somewhere between what happened in 2021-22 and 2022-23. The unanswerable question is, "Where?"

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The team may lose up to 4 key players

We do not know what are the returns

It’s optimistic to assume they will be better than last year

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Duclair likely is worth more than a 4th but to the Flames I don't think he should be. He should not be used in anyway as a piece with any value in a deal. Whatever he is worth I would take that over him.

He is 100% the kind of player we should not be adding to this team.

It’s obvious they want/need to build around Huberdeau if they are going after Duclair. They had chemistry.

And frankly, they have no choice but build around Huberdeau

[stemit14]

I really hope there are teams eager to make some trades this week/at the draft. I fear a state of limbo if the draft passes and most of these guys that want to leave are still here.

Hopefully Conroy just trades strictly for picks/prospects/young players. Sign some UFAs to 1 year deals to fill out the roster if you have to and they can even be tradable pieces at the TDL. Guys like Drouin or Ritchie for example.

The flames could surprise if they only trade Hanifin this summer from the defence. Weegar, Andersson, Kyllington, Zadorov and Twnev are still a formidable defensive group. If Huberdeau, Kadri, Mangiapane and Markstrom have bounce-back seasons, they could be knocking on the door for a playoff spot.

Obviously that’s not the direction of a rebuild and I’m ok with the flames suffering a few tough seasons for the long-term benefit of the team. Just saying, they could catch a lot teams off guard.


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[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It’s obvious they want/need to build around Huberdeau if they are going after Duclair. They had chemistry.

And frankly, they have no choice but build around Huberdeau

Build...what exactly? A stanley cup contender now?

If this team tries to patch it together again to be "competitive", I swear to god, I will lose it!

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It’s obvious they want/need to build around Huberdeau if they are going after Duclair. They had chemistry.

And frankly, they have no choice but build around Huberdeau

Building around Hubredeau is a bad idea. He is a sunk cost and we are now stuck with him, we shouldn't double down on that mistake by adding other players we don't need to try to carry us to 8th and 4 games in the first round.