I don't think mountain heights are all that illustrative for most people, because the majority don't really start at sea level. I prefer to think of a distance, like McKnight to the Bow is about 5 km at Centre St, then imagine something being that deep.
Yeah, it's hard to explain and visualize. Grand Canyon depth for instance is like ~1800m and people are blown away by the grandeur of it. Ha Ling Peak is ~2200-2400m and basically you see Canmore as a dot. But yeah there's a difference between direct up/down and parallel to earth vs looking at all points from an angle which is what we all typically do.
Humans are supposed to be able to see about 3 miles out (around 4.5 km). That means in a straight line, a human would would basically look like a dot. So you'd need something large to keep looking that far.
Coincidentally, the Bow tower is approx 236M and the Titanic was 269m. There were a few comments where it was like, "Oh the Titanic wasn't even that big vs other boats." But I think if you imagine it being longer than the Bow is taller, it would start to give you some insight into the size of the thing and how much bigger things are getting now. Distance wise, I think Bow to Fox Hollow is approx the same distance as the Titanic below water.
Light doesn't go that far down, so I imagine 5 people stuffed into a sub compact (pun not intended ). Slowly drifting from Fox Hollow to the Bow with a basketball sized window looking for the thing that is around the size of the Bow Tower in pitch black darkness. Lights wise, they're using something like a pair of maglites? Kinda crazy.
At that pressure I suspect it'd be pretty instant.
Not necessarily. If what James Cameron was told is correct, they had dropped their ballast and were aborting the mission before it imploded. If that's true, then they would have had some indication that something was wrong with the hull.
Not necessarily. If what James Cameron was told is correct, they had dropped their ballast and were aborting the mission before it imploded. If that's true, then they would have had some indication that something was wrong with the hull.
Could also have been the viewport showing signs of stress.
Yeah, it's hard to explain and visualize. Grand Canyon depth for instance is like ~1800m and people are blown away by the grandeur of it. Ha Ling Peak is ~2200-2400m and basically you see Canmore as a dot. But yeah there's a difference between direct up/down and parallel to earth vs looking at all points from an angle which is what we all typically do.
Humans are supposed to be able to see about 3 miles out (around 4.5 km). That means in a straight line, a human would would basically look like a dot. So you'd need something large to keep looking that far.
Coincidentally, the Bow tower is approx 236M and the Titanic was 269m. There were a few comments where it was like, "Oh the Titanic wasn't even that big vs other boats." But I think if you imagine it being longer than the Bow is taller, it would start to give you some insight into the size of the thing and how much bigger things are getting now. Distance wise, I think Bow to Fox Hollow is approx the same distance as the Titanic below water.
Light doesn't go that far down, so I imagine 5 people stuffed into a sub compact (pun not intended ). Slowly drifting from Fox Hollow to the Bow with a basketball sized window looking for the thing that is around the size of the Bow Tower in pitch black darkness. Lights wise, they're using something like a pair of maglites? Kinda crazy.
Oh it's 100% relative.
No, the Titanic wasn't that big compared to cruise ships today. See my post above about the P&O Aurora. We had the Norwegian Prima in port last month. Holy **** that's a big boat.
But I also think of the MV Atlantic Vision as a big boat. It's the largest passenger ferry in North America. It towers over the MV Leif Ericsson when they're in port next to each other. Saw it a few years ago docked at the Main Dock of the Sydney Port Authority rather than the Marine Atlantic dockyard. It was smaller than most cruise ships that come in. Seeing it in a different location really skewed my perspective.
I'd think it'd be like going to a regional airport and seeing a 737, they look huge compared to the Dash 8's and CRJ's. But when you see them at YYZ, next to the widebodies they seem so small.
Titanic was huge, and a spectacle for its time. It'd likely be luxurious today, and there are lots of luxury cruise companies out there where the ships are Titanic-ish size.
But yeah, stand it straight up, it'll blow your mind. It's just we're used to length not height.
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Can't imagine being near the bottom of 4km of water and hearing the carbon fibre strands snapping like guitar strings.
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At that pressure I suspect it'd be pretty instant.
Saw a snippet of an interview with some expert or the other, who said that the implosion would take 2 nanoseconds, and the human body/spine doesn't register anything until 4 nanoseconds. So they were just there - and then they weren't, and they would have had zero inkling. Just...vapourized.
Not necessarily. If what James Cameron was told is correct, they had dropped their ballast and were aborting the mission before it imploded. If that's true, then they would have had some indication that something was wrong with the hull.
One source said that the tapping sounds of the carbon fibers breaking may have gone on for up to 10 minutes before catastrophic failure. Still better than suffocating for days in a dark, cold, cramped space, but also pretty terrifying if they were aware what was happening and were desperately trying to race to the surface. Also enough time for Stockton Rush to realize how foolish he was.
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Oh god not only did he choose carbon fiber to save money on expensive foam used in other submersibles and to save weight for transport costs, he saved money by buying expired carbon fiber! This is after saving money on a window only certified to half the depth because he didn’t want to pay.
Only one thing concerned me: He said he had gotten the carbon fiber used to make the Titan at a big discount from Boeing because it was past its shelf-life for use in airplanes.
Oh god not only did he choose carbon fiber to save money on expensive foam used in other submersibles and to save weight for transport costs, he saved money by buying expired carbon fiber! This is after saving money on a window only certified to half the depth because he didn’t want to pay.
Only one thing concerned me: He said he had gotten the carbon fiber used to make the Titan at a big discount from Boeing because it was past its shelf-life for use in airplanes.
Oof...that is not ideal.
You know, there are few things you should pay for. Just, some things you dont cheap out on. That there was one of them.
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I wonder if that was pre-impregnated then if it had a shelf life. And that's a big no-no using it. I wonder if he even put it in a vacuum auto-clave for proper curing.
edit: wait wait wait..... Rush had an aerospace engineering degree?!?!!?!?
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Oh god not only did he choose carbon fiber to save money on expensive foam used in other submersibles and to save weight for transport costs, he saved money by buying expired carbon fiber! This is after saving money on a window only certified to half the depth because he didn’t want to pay.
Only one thing concerned me: He said he had gotten the carbon fiber used to make the Titan at a big discount from Boeing because it was past its shelf-life for use in airplanes.
Man, sounds like this guy just made bad decisions throughout this build and process. Seems like he felt himself a visionary and had the ego and disregard for prior knowledge to confirm that.
Doesn't seem like he made decision much different than that guy who built his own rocket. His biggest mistake was making it bigger than enough for anyone but himself. You want to take risks? Fine, but don't bring anyone else down with you.
Wow that's insane how much he cheaped out, given the price he charged per ticket. Greedy and a massive ego, lovely...
I'm not convinced it was greed, he said the fuel alone to get to the site is $1 million. I think he saw an opportunity to do something he couldn't afford on his own, and the cost of that was selling rides. His big mistake was not doing it right at a cost that would still be pocket change to tourist billionaires.
There are not many people doing deep sea dives and they all talk to each other. All Rush had to do was call a few up and ask for guidance. Rush sounds like a complete jackass to be honest, super confident in his abilities which were severely lacking.
). Slowly drifting from Fox Hollow to the Bow with a basketball sized window looking for the thing that is around the size of the Bow Tower in pitch black darkness. Lights wise, they're using something like a pair of maglites? Kinda crazy.
